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For Potential Juror, 'Honest' Response to Judge Backfires (Outrageous!)
NY Times ^ | 7-2-05 | ANDREW JACOBS

Posted on 07/02/2005 10:17:58 AM PDT by veronica

It may have been an inelegant description, but Stephen Caruso said he thought he was just being honest on Thursday afternoon when a judge asked if he could be fair and impartial toward a defendant on trial for kidnapping. No, Mr. Caruso said during the voir dire portion of jury selection. "I have been held up three times at gunpoint," he said according to transcripts, adding, "I am already looking at him; I think he is a scumbag."

Judge William A. Wetzel of Manhattan Criminal Court did not appreciate Mr. Caruso's candor, though, and ordered him held in contempt of court. "That is an insult not only to him, but to the other people in the room and me," Judge Wetzel said, before ordering Mr. Caruso to come back the next day.

But when Mr. Caruso returned with a lawyer yesterday and apologized for his choice of words, Judge Wetzel was not inclined to forgiveness. "I've interviewed upwards of 15,000 jurors and I have never experienced such an inappropriately vulgar, contemptuous occurrence," he said. He then told Mr. Caruso, 27, a financial planner from the Upper East Side, to return to court on July 18 and face the prospect of a $1,000 fine or up to 30 days in jail.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: New York
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To: bwteim
Do you know what happened in the retrial? I recall readingthe initial press reports. I thought the Barbard woman "victim" was protestiong too much and the guy had a pretty strong defense-- But that was only from a press report. This judge seems a real peach. Mis applyin gthe rape shield law the way he did in the first trial shows his head is into politics and not fairness.

I am not surprised he is an authoritarian as well. But you know you should understand that the prosepctive juror was possibly poisining the entire jury pool with his comment.

61 posted on 07/02/2005 1:37:19 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: ontos-on
The guy said he had a flashback.

I had the same problem at a civil trial where the victim had his elbow smashed. They'd already held the part of the trial establishing guilt, and now they were into the part where the indemnity to the victim would be set. That would be anywhere from $10,000 to several hundred thousand dollars.

So, the judge asked "anyone think he can't give a fair judgment in this case" and I raised my hand since, in fact, I'd once had my elbow smashed and gone to trial. Although I was quite young, I remembered all of it, including the part where we slid down the icy hill into the path of a speeding freight.

The judge asked me why, and I said, "Well, I was once in a case exactly like that". The judge asked "What happened", and I said "My elbow was smashed".

The judge immediately called me down front out of earshot of the other potential jurors. He said "Well, then, why do you think you cannot give this a fair decision". I explained that at that moment I was actually experiencing a flashback, and would continue to do so as the trial was explained. Odds are the only thing on my mind would be the lifelong injury, and the amount of money would be irrelevant.

The judge then told both of the lawyers in the case that it was not the purpose of a trial to make any juror suffer. He dismissed me.

Both lawyers breathed a deep sigh of relief.

The poor victim was sitting there at a table between me and the judge. In the course of things I explained what kind of lifelong injury it was, and how after several decades it was just as debilitating today as it was at the beginning.

I don't think the victim understood what "lifelong" meant until I described it, and he seemed to turn green, and sick!

A monetary award does not fix a lifelong injury.

After my experience I'd say the JUDGE, not the potential juror, allowed the jury pool to be polluted ~ he should have called the juror forward out of earshot to discuss the situation.

An experienced judge would have instantly recognized the problem former victims have in these cases.

62 posted on 07/02/2005 1:47:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: balch3

Judge Wetzel's Special Rules on Appropriate Courtroom Decorum:

"Everyone must treat all parties with professional respect and courtesy. Contumacious behavior will be sanctioned appropriately. Lawyers and defendants out on bail must arrive on time, or they must call the court clerk to notify the court of the delay. I work a full day and move quickly. Parties should have enough witnesses ‘on deck’ to fill a complete day."

"Contumacious"? Why can't this arrogant man use the king's english and just say "insubordinate"?

Seems to me this judge's attitude and head is tumescent. He needs to be deflated.


63 posted on 07/02/2005 2:54:48 PM PDT by miele man
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To: miele man

More info on Judge Wetzel. See www.cyberspace.org/wetzel.html


About Judge William Wetzel
New York Post, April 17, 1998
Observers say judge doomed defense

By Ann V. Bollinger

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"Many of those lawyers - and even a judge - yesterday suggested the bitter antagonism led to the guilty verdict against the 31-year-old Columbia microbiology grad student. "Unequivocally, the judge's attitude toward the defense had everything to do with the verdict of this case," said one defense lawyer. "It led the jury to draw one conclusion." One judge in the building said he was "embarassed by Wetzel's behavior in this case." "The way he treated the defense is unheard of," the judge said. "

According to other documents, Wetzel had no trial experience before being appointed a trial judge.


64 posted on 07/02/2005 3:16:45 PM PDT by miele man
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To: veronica
I said something worse at my juror interview.
I brought up the evidence at the Clinton trial that some Senators refused to look at. I said that in my opinion, any member of the bar who didn't file charges against those Senators was "dirty".
When the judge asked us if any of us were aquainted with a lawyer I raised my hand. When he asked what sort of law my aquaintance practiced, I said "He's an ambulance chaser like him" and motioned towards the defendants attorney.
I also said I didn't feel I could judge a person's guilt or innocence unless I could question them myself. I also said I don't believe lawyers having been through the divorce system and having two tell me that the court isn't interested in perjury.
Strangly, I wasn't picked for a jury.
If a judge accused me of contempt I'd tell him he had more contempt for the court by not following charges against the Senators in the impeachment trial who didn't look at all the evidence.

I don't like court.

65 posted on 07/02/2005 3:19:15 PM PDT by The Brush
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To: veronica

Sounds like Judge Wetzel needs an attitude adjustment.


66 posted on 07/02/2005 3:26:25 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: dangus
An insult to his intelligence? To their duties as judge and jurors? To their honor as Americans discharging their duties?

The First Ammendment permits Americans to criticize its government.

Nonetheless, Caruso was criticizing neither the judge nor the jury: He was criticizing the defendant. And the judge seemed to take offense at this. Apparantly, the judge is merely an oversensitive, emotional wuss.

67 posted on 07/02/2005 5:26:45 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Hillary is a mad cow.)
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To: veronica
"I feel like I'm being punished for being honest."

Good thing Mr. Caruso didn't think the defendant was a faggot.

68 posted on 07/02/2005 5:30:21 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Visit Club Gitmo - The World's Only Air-Conditioned Gulag.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Top 10 Ways To Get Out of Jury Duty ...

1a. Wear Your "David Duke For President" T-Shirt.
(works like a charm every time)

69 posted on 07/02/2005 5:38:21 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Visit Club Gitmo - The World's Only Air-Conditioned Gulag.)
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To: veronica

dumb, dumb, dumb, Mr. Caruso .. should have done a few stick ups himself and the judge would LOVE him.


70 posted on 07/02/2005 5:43:00 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: veronica

The judge might feel differently if someone stuck a gun in his face and held him up a few times


71 posted on 07/02/2005 5:54:02 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: ontos-on

Eventually, overturned.


For background on this trial first read:
http://www.uwm.edu/~vkuhn/7455.html
or

http://www.wizdomme.com/infopack/jovanovic.shtml

then
Oliver Jovanovic: First Sacrifice of the Digital Age
By Sandro Cohen
"La Jornada" - May 19, 1998
http://www.ishipress.com/sandro.htm

Then
http://www.cybercase.org/articles.html
and
http://www.samsloan.com/jovdrop.htm


72 posted on 07/02/2005 6:52:27 PM PDT by bwteim (=Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: ontos-on

The long and short of it:

"In late 1999, the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court, by a 3-to-1 vote, set aside the conviction on the grounds that Judge Wetzel had applied the rape shield law improperly and left the jury with a "distorted view of the evidence."

The case was sent down for retrial, but Rzucek proved reluctant to testify a second time, and prosecutors eventually sought a dismissal "in the interests of justice." Jovanovic's vindication came at a high price: as much as $500,000 in legal fees, not to mention 20 months spent in state penitentiaries."

http://www.fa-ir.org/alabama/corrupt/rape_shield.htm


73 posted on 07/02/2005 6:57:06 PM PDT by bwteim (=Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: veronica

The judge should be imprisoned.


74 posted on 07/02/2005 6:58:48 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: veronica

We need to clean house! Judges think they are God now in this country and I for one am darn sick of it!


75 posted on 07/02/2005 10:36:14 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Mad Dawg
Isn't "scumbag" an obscenity?.... way of saying "condom",.....

So I'm wondering if the judge isn't reacting to the obscenity.

Not if he watches any Television.

76 posted on 07/02/2005 11:31:41 PM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!)
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To: veronica

I remember three years ago when I happily reported for jury duty. The lawyers for both sides asked us all questions as a group. I got the honor of answering the question, "What is your opinion of lawyers?"

((chortle))"Well, like any job, there's good and bad. It's something that has been turned into a dirty word in today's world. But if more people were knowledgeable about the constitution and the laws of America, and how WE, as jurors, have the ultimate power in our nation, that fear and anger would likely subside."

Mind you, I was in jeans and a tee-shirt wearing a nice leather jacket. And my hair was nicely combed all the way down my back.

They kept me on the jury. I was so happy. That judge was one of the good guys.


77 posted on 07/02/2005 11:38:46 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: veronica

Sp now jurors are supposed to lie during selection? sheesh.

The judge is a liar, by the way, and pobably on crack. It is a common occurence to see jurors pre-accusing defendants just because of their face or something.


78 posted on 07/02/2005 11:44:54 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: veronica

Redarding William A. Wetzel:

Does anyone have his phone number?

E-mail address?

Mailing address?

Is it still legal to express displeasure to a public servant? Ya know, freedom of speech, petition the government, yada yada...


79 posted on 07/02/2005 11:54:53 PM PDT by Checkers (Gitmo has killed fewer people than Michael Schiavo.)
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To: muir_redwoods
Reminds me of the witness who referred to the Judge as "Mr.Smith" The judge told him to refer to all Judges as "Your Honor" The witness replied,

"Mr. Smith, I'm under oath"

Nice one... I, on the other hand would be more personally inclined to utter, "Extreme doubt obtains in my mind that you are even capable of spelling the word, let alone have the least iota of the quality," which understandably, would cause me no end of grief...

the infowarrior

80 posted on 07/03/2005 1:46:08 AM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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