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Mood Split in Town Where Bush to Speak
Associated Press ^ | 6/28/05 | ESTES THOMPSON

Posted on 06/28/2005 8:14:44 AM PDT by GPBurdell

By ESTES THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer 26 minutes ago

In the year since President Bush and U.S. allies returned official sovereignty to Iraq, life in the community dominated by one of the Army's largest installations has changed little.

Soldiers from Fort Bragg have continued to march into Iraq. And they continue to die.

In the past year, 100 North Carolina-based troops have died in the war, trailing only the toll of 180 from California, according to an Associated Press analysis.

As President Bush plans to come here to make a major, nationally televised policy speech Tuesday night, the mounting casualties and insurgent violence have started to test the public patience for the war, even in a place where signs along the streets boast steadfast support of the troops.

On one such street off base in Fayetteville, 26-year-old Carrie Dimmick said it's about time the United States got its soldiers out of Iraq.

"We told them if they established a government we would back off," she said. "They established a government, but we're still there. I feel like the war is doing more harm than good."

Like many people in this area, 40-year-old day-care center operator Tommy Jones said he initially believed the war was a successful response to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"Now, it seems like we've been there too long," said Jones, who was a Marine 20 years ago. "There have been too many casualties."

A new statewide poll released Tuesday shows increasing doubt in military-friendly North Carolina over whether the war is worthwhile.

Forty-two percent of 600 active voters questioned Friday through Sunday agreed the war has been worth it, but 49 percent say it has not, the poll conducted for The News & Observer of Raleigh and WRAL-TV found. The survey by Research 2000 had a sampling error margin of plus and minus 4 percentage points. In January 2004, the survey found 58 percent of North Carolina voters saying the war was worthwhile.

Similarly, the latest AP-Ipsos national poll found public doubts about the war reaching a high point — with more than half saying that invading Iraq was a mistake.

But among those in the military here, it was hard to find anyone who questioned the troops' resolve.

About 52,000 members of the military are stationed at Bragg and adjacent Pope Air Force Base, and some 14,700 are fighting in Iraq, including Lt. Gen. John Vines, the base commander who leads the multinational troops in Iraq.

North Carolina also has sent thousands of Marines from Camp Lejeune and air crews from two Air Force bases.

"I think we're doing the right thing," said 38-year-old Air Force Tech Sgt. Tim Holmes, who has served in Iraq. "From the people I've met in Iraq, they want their freedom. You see the attacks on the news, but what you don't see is people trying to establish their businesses back, shaking your hand, waving."

Civilian truck driver Rickey LeBlanc, 28, echoed the support for Bush's policies: "You can't go over there and say `Saddam's gone. Here's your country. Have a nice day.'"

"You don't have people there who know how to run a government," LeBlanc said as he entered City Hall to pay a tax bill. "You don't want someone like Saddam to get back in power."

Right behind him was John Warren, a 21-year-old carpet factory worker from nearby Raeford, who said too many people had died in a war that he believes has also helped degrade the American economy.

"There's going to be a lot of lonely people here," Warren said.

Pfc. Richard Gunther, 35, of the 82nd Airborne Division, said it's understandable that some civilians feel that way because he believes they get skewed information from a media that focuses too heavily on insurgent attacks.

Bush probably will "tell us we're doing good things over there and that we need to focus on the good things instead of the bad things the media tells us," Gunther said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; cic; fayetteville; fortbragg; iraq; speech; terrorism; tokyorose
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To: Jumper

Actually I though it was interesting that troops had to be ORDERED to applaud and "be nice" for Clinton visits.

Then you saw images of polite applause.

Just to the GWPresidency.

You see cameras, a president wading into the soldiers to help them pose with the president.

and yet

The MSM only sees malaise. (MSM: using burned out flashlights to see in broad daylight)


21 posted on 06/28/2005 8:44:07 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
If I am an investor, I am not so quick to buy a company stupid enough to advertise on CNN.

Maybe it's because they know that the viewers' collective IQ would barely melt butter..............IOW, easy pickens......

22 posted on 06/28/2005 8:44:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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To: GPBurdell
Oh Good Grief ... could the AP be any more obvious?

Seems to me the press is worried about this speech tonight
23 posted on 06/28/2005 8:45:19 AM PDT by Mo1 (Democrats Sold Out America ... just to regain power)
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To: Ron in Acreage

~~ and how about the almost 43,000 innocents that are slaughtered every year on our highways ~~ where is the hue and cry for these worthies.

The MSM are a bunch of gutless wonders!

Hang 'em High ~ Bump!


24 posted on 06/28/2005 8:51:47 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: GPBurdell

AP raining on parade. Just more MSM pre-W-speech drizzle.


25 posted on 06/28/2005 8:52:36 AM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: GPBurdell
But among those in the military here, it was hard to find anyone who questioned the troops' resolve.

I'll take the word of our active-duty military over that of uninformed and/or ill informed civilians on this matter any day.

26 posted on 06/28/2005 8:53:04 AM PDT by alnick (Rice 2005: We've only just begun to see what Freedom can achieve.)
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To: Mo1
Seems to me the press is worried about this speech tonight

Yep. :-)

27 posted on 06/28/2005 8:54:56 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Jumper

I was in the USN 75-79...we were in the North Atlantic, had to hot-swap foul weather gear and suff them with rags to make them warmer. Carter was a great President...NOT!


28 posted on 06/28/2005 9:10:14 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: GPBurdell
Speaking To The Choir?

President Bush will give a speech tonight from Fort Bragg to revive American support for the extended effort needed to secure Iraq and establish a major base for the expansion of democracy in the Middle East. With unrelenting negative coverage coming from Baghdad, Bush hopes to use his prime-time address with a presumably enthusiastic Fort Bragg audience to highlight the mission's successes and the progress made towards democracy. Bush hopes to bolster the national morale and secure a mandate for our continued work in that effort.

According to a Washington Post-ABC News poll, that may not be as tough a sale as first predicted. Despite some skepticism about our efforts to reduce the insurgency so far, a majority of Americans already reject the cut-and-run option:

As President Bush prepares to address the nation about Iraq tonight, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that most Americans do not believe the administration's claims that impressive gains are being made against the insurgency, but a clear majority is willing to keep U.S. forces there for an extended time to stabilize the country.
The survey found that only one in eight Americans currently favors an immediate pullout of U.S. forces, while a solid majority continues to agree with Bush that the United States must remain in Iraq until civil order is restored -- a goal that most of those surveyed acknowledge is, at best, several years away.

Amid broad skepticism about Bush's credibility and whether the war was worth the cost, there were some encouraging signs for the president. A narrow majority -- 52 percent -- believes that the war has contributed to the long-term security of the United States, a five-point increase from earlier this month.


I had suspected that the supposedly plummeting numbers supporting the war effort and establishment of democracy in Iraq had been overstated, and this appears to confirm those suspicions. The numbers are even more striking when considering the sample, a pool of adults rather than registered voters, which usually tilts such surveys away from Bush and the GOP. In fact, despite the media coverage that focuses almost exclusively on terrorist attacks in Iraq, optimism about Iraq's future has increased nine points since December, showing that the elections gave Americans a clear idea of the commitment Iraqis have to a democratic future.

Not all of the numbers give Bush much reason to cheer. Majorities fault him for misleading the country into war, his administration of the Iraq phase of the war on terror, and feel that the US has become "bogged down" in Iraq and that we cannot effectively fight elsewhere as a result. Bush has to address those perceptions in his speech tonight to succeed. He has to show that far from being bogged down, American and Coalition troops have accelerated training for Iraqi security forces, that the latter have taken on a larger role in providing security, and that we retain enough global flexibility to address other security risks, such as Syria, Iran, or North Korea.

For his primary goal -- extending support for the immediate mission of securing Iraq as a democratic state -- the President has a nation waiting to be affirmed in that desire. All he needs to do is to present his case about our many successes in specifics, and he can rally the nation behind him again.

-- Captain Ed, captainsquartersblog.com/mt/
29 posted on 06/28/2005 9:12:15 AM PDT by OESY
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To: GPBurdell
I've got family at Bragg...this is a pile of crapola. I talked to him last night and he's going to the speech. In fact he's an Army Captain MI, he helped prepare the post for the President's visit (ahead of the preparations the secret service do). Everyone is very excited about Bush coming to Bragg to give this speech. He told me this was going to be like a 'State of the Union' speech.

Only Bragg soldiers will be allowed to watch the speech..no family members. The only family that'll see Bush are those who've lost their love ones in our present conflicts.

Typical of the MSM and their lies!!!!

30 posted on 06/28/2005 9:19:43 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: GPBurdell

My, my. The MSM is scared witless that Bush will have semi unrestricted time to talk to the American people and tell them the truth. Smell the desperation in this pieces.

Give them Hell tonight Mr. President.


31 posted on 06/28/2005 9:25:25 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: shield

Wish him well from us!


32 posted on 06/28/2005 9:27:28 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: GPBurdell

While I'm sure they could find some anti-war lefties in Fayetteville if they looked hard enough, I would think that the mood is split in the home of Ft. Bragg, the 82 Airborne, and the Special Forces just about as much as the opinion is split on whether the moon is made of green cheese.


33 posted on 06/28/2005 9:42:22 AM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: GPBurdell

34 posted on 06/28/2005 9:45:06 AM PDT by fso301
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To: popdonnelly

I know Estes, he is usually pretty fair. He must have been pressured to write this one.


35 posted on 06/28/2005 9:49:27 AM PDT by Bluedaddy
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To: Bluedaddy

Maybe.

Fayetteville, the "town" is run predominatly by Democrats. Amazing, no? But it's true. The town "surrounding" Fort Bragg is run by Democrats.


36 posted on 06/29/2005 3:20:17 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

I saw a news report last night that some 80,000 were outside wanting to see President Bush.


37 posted on 06/29/2005 3:23:01 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Carolinamom

Where'd you see this? Wow. I know how tight security was, there. And local TV did a wee bit of coverage on "anti-war" protestors, huddled from the rain in downtown Fayetteville. But nothing, on these supporters. I know I sure was calling in favors trying to get a ticket.


38 posted on 06/29/2005 3:28:16 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

A poster on Little Green Footballs posted it.


39 posted on 06/29/2005 3:43:16 AM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Carolinamom

Thank you, I just took a look. I'd be interested in knowing where "Reaganite" got that data. I know lots of other military who wanted to be there; but the tickets were key. And the military was being properly ordered in whom they gave tickets to; not necessarily fans; but squadron leaders, captains, etc -- tickets going to those heavily involved with command in the WOT. And they were right to do so: military was hearing from its Commander in Chief.


40 posted on 06/29/2005 4:02:34 AM PDT by Alia
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