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Chinese dragon awakens (prompting fears that Beijing will attack Taiwan)
The Washington Times ^ | 6/26/05 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 06/26/2005 12:29:08 PM PDT by Halgr

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China is building its military forces faster than U.S. intelligence and military analysts expected, prompting fears that Beijing will attack Taiwan in the next two years, according to Pentagon officials. U.S. defense and intelligence officials say all the signs point in one troubling direction: Beijing then will be forced to go to war with the United States, which has vowed to defend Taiwan against a Chinese attack. China's military buildup includes an array of new high-technology weapons, such as warships, submarines, missiles and a maneuverable warhead designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses. Recent intelligence reports also show that China has stepped up military exercises involving amphibious assaults, viewed as another sign that it is preparing for an attack on Taiwan. "There's a growing consensus that at some point in the mid-to-late '90s, there was a fundamental shift in the sophistication, breadth and re-sorting of Chinese defense planning," said Richard Lawless, a senior China-policy maker in the Pentagon. "And what we're seeing now is a manifestation of that change in the number of new systems that are being deployed, the sophistication of those systems and the interoperability of the systems." China's economy has been growing at a rate of at least 10 percent for each of the past 10 years, providing the country's military with the needed funds for modernization. The combination of a vibrant centralized economy, growing military and increasingly fervent nationalism has transformed China into what many defense officials view as a fascist state.

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Energy supply a factor For China, Taiwan is not the only issue behind the buildup of military forces. Beijing also is facing a major energy shortage that, according to one Pentagon study, could lead it to use military force to seize territory with oil and gas resources.

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45001

"FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN"
"China activates
bomb shelters
Intelligence sources suspect reopening
to public is part of strategic deception"
Posted: June 28, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


101 posted on 06/28/2005 2:03:18 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: jas3
Ping from the lousy speller annalistSo much for free trade house breaking the Chicom
103 posted on 06/28/2005 7:10:40 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: reagan_fanatic

"If the Chinese attack Taiwan during a democratic presidency, look for this country to go crying to the U.N. like a child running to its Momma after getting stung by a bee."

I'm curious what you think Bush would do if it happened in the next couple of years. Our military is already strained. If we bomb, they bomb back, maybe throw a few nukes. Their country has more than a billion people. Despite our current military superiority, do you honestly think we could prevail in a war against China, particularly if it's being fought over there?

I hate to be a pessimist, but I think the more China accepts capitalism (but not democracy), the bigger threat they are to us.


104 posted on 06/28/2005 7:22:39 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: GOP_1900AD
Paul - you had a map that showed the Evil Empire after the conquests. It would fit right in here.

Okay, here you go:


105 posted on 06/28/2005 8:30:45 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Cindy; GOP_1900AD; navyvet; Proud Vet.; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

I think the analysts have fingered this pretext accurately. This is precisely how the Chinese proceed. Very deceptively. And setting us up for a surprise. Advancing, Semi-Plausible cover stories. Some are not so plausible. Sort of like the Soviet-era aircraft carrier turned into an "amusement park." LOL!


106 posted on 06/28/2005 9:06:53 AM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Gone GF
I'm curious what you think Bush would do if it happened in the next couple of years.

Fume. Threaten. Move a few carriers - who knows? In truth, with our military already straining under the load of Iraq and Afghanistan, fighting a full-scale war with China would squeeze every drop out of our military and would practically guarantee the return of the draft, something this country isn't willing to accept.

I still have difficulty with the concept of China risking a devastating war with America over Taiwan and effectively destroying its economy in the process, but then again, communists have never made much sense to me anyway.
107 posted on 06/28/2005 9:47:32 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (The theory of evolution is the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century - Michael Denton)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

I conclude that you are a discrediting operation.


108 posted on 06/28/2005 9:50:59 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Paul Ross

I agree with your post except for the part about "a surprise."

OPINION-SPECULATION: China has deliberately and carefully remained/still remains faithful to its agenda; therefore, we should never be surprised as to what China does now and will do in the future.


109 posted on 06/28/2005 1:12:31 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Halgr

and Maytag, and Unocal are courting the idea of becoming a chinese company?????

Where are our brains, down the drain?


110 posted on 06/28/2005 1:23:05 PM PDT by television is just wrong (http://hehttp://print.google.com/print/doc?articleidisblogs.blogspot.com/ (visit blogs, visit ads).)
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To: GOP_1900AD
Quote: I conclude that you are a discrediting operation.



GOP
I have seen 3-4 people on this site that consistently 100% of the time discredit any report that china could or will be a danger. They also 100% of the time think that any company moving from the US to china is good for the us economy via "free trade".
And when I mean 100% I mean 100% of the time.
111 posted on 06/28/2005 1:46:41 PM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: Cindy
I agree with your post except for the part about "a surprise."

Well, not to us, obviously.

But to the folks like Colin Powell...if he is to be taken at his word.

He is in for the shock of his life.

112 posted on 06/28/2005 1:57:43 PM PDT by Paul Ross (George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
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To: Paul Ross

I agree.


113 posted on 06/28/2005 2:08:35 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: GOP_1900AD

"I conclude that you are a discrediting operation."

Your conclusion is incorrect. And you are self-discrediting.


114 posted on 06/28/2005 2:37:06 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: superiorslots

Yep!


115 posted on 06/28/2005 4:25:04 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You write only refutations and ad hominem attacks. I've gone through your posting history. Perhaps, the word troll would be a bit strong, but crumudgeon or sh#$ disturber is probably about right. There's one in every crowd. You probably sat in the back of the classroom as a child.


116 posted on 06/28/2005 4:27:18 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
==Uh-huh, and they have this bridge for sale in Beijing...

Could you please document at what rate Red China's economy is actually growing. All the financial houses, the equity market, the commodities crowd, the Secretary of the Treasury, world financial leaders, central bankers (etc) that I know of are in agreement on a 10% plus figure. If you think it is growing at a much slower rate, and that we are being mislead, then please cite your sources. Thanks ahead of time--HUAC
117 posted on 06/28/2005 4:57:16 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

"All the financial houses, the equity market, the commodities crowd, the Secretary of the Treasury, world financial leaders, central bankers (etc) that I know of are in agreement on a 10% plus figure."

And they were all in agreement on the relative growth rates of Enron, Global Crossing, MCI/Worldcom, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I actually remember the lesson of Enron because I wound up losing about $17K on my investment. Should've sold at the peak; instead, I believed all the "smart money" you've cited.


118 posted on 06/28/2005 5:08:44 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

==I actually remember the lesson of Enron because I wound up losing about $17K on my investment. Should've sold at the peak; instead, I believed all the "smart money" you've cited.

The commodities (especially the gold) crowd and the equities crowd are diametrically opposed to each other. Yet both sides have come to the same conclusion...namely, that Red China has the fasted growing (10%+) economy in the world. What sources prove that both (opposing) sides of the market are incorrect?

BTW, the gold crowd called Enron long before it went belly up.


119 posted on 06/28/2005 5:20:57 PM PDT by BringBackMyHUAC
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To: BringBackMyHUAC

"The commodities (especially the gold) crowd and the equities crowd are diametrically opposed to each other. Yet both sides have come to the same conclusion...namely, that Red China has the fasted growing (10%+) economy in the world. What sources prove that both (opposing) sides of the market are incorrect?"

What sources prove them both correct in the first place?


120 posted on 06/29/2005 4:47:58 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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