Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Canadian Outrage]

Yes that really set me on my duff when I heard it this morning!!! THAT, is an outright CONFLICT right there. It should have been removed from this man's jurisdiction IMMEDIATELY. The Island is small, and everyone knows who everyone is. How do they have the nerve to try to portray to us that they are doing a fair and good job??

[kcvl]

I found Jug Twitty to be petty and self-absorbed which was my observation and opinion and frankly, I am ususally right.

You aren't right about that.

[TexKat]

Hannity & Colmes: Jugs friend from Atlanta with the voice analysis device is in Aruba. Jug has asked the Aruba LE if this device can be used as an interrogation tool and Jug stated that he believed the Aruban LE is in agreement.

[gg188]

Arubans for Arubans? Put your own people first?

Here's a song written long ago by calypso singer Lord Kitchner (1922-2000):

Your Own Comes First

If I talk again it could drive me mad
I try to talk to the people of Trinidad
If I talk again it could set me mad
I'm tired if talkin' to the people of Trinidad
All kinds of people come and doin' well
And you the Trinidadians only catchin' hell
How many times do you want to be told
Your own comes first all over the world

If you think I lie, I invite you please
Just take a trip through the West Indies
Make your first stop at Grenada
Tell them that you come to look for labor
If you miss and say you're from Trinidad
They lick you from Grenada down to Fyzabad
But you can't blame them on a whole
My friend, that's the policy of the world

So, Granadians for Granadians
Jamaicians for Jamaicians
Even Barbados take the same route
Trinidadians, buck up and follow suit
Well now you really lookin' for blows
If you think you goin' anchor in Barbados
The Bajuns goin' tell you you bloomin' fast
Don't you know Bajuns first and outsiders last
Then you heist your anchor to Jamaica
Feelin' that your chances might be better
But as I've led you to understand
Boy, we only have work here for Jamaicans

I'm not all selfish, I love to give
And I believe in the slogan live and let live
If the other islands aren't doin' that
Well I don't see why we should be Miss Howard's cat
It's time to go into the reverse
Do like other nations put your people first
You must do as you are told
Or you would be the laughing stock of the world

[Canadian Outrage]

Well put because that was exactly what happened. This coward really was hiding in the bushes in his yard. I heard Beth say, Hey you behind the bush!! Then he struts out, "come in"

[Peach]

How interesting. Jug has some powerful friends and they are NOT giving up.

[Canadian Outrage]

Pepper he and his son had the brothers go along with the Holiday Inn drop off LIE!!

[onyx]

Exactly. Colossal nerve and I suspected relations would arise. No different from Cayman Islands where everyone is either a cousin or a cousin by marriage.

[elli1]

Wrong again. I'm annoyed with people who can't use deductive reasoning after reading ALL of the information on this thread

Ah--that splains a lot. I've read everything on this thread and the two threads that proceeded it as well as material from other sources. The problem with 'the information' on this thread (and elsewhere) is that a good deal of it is unsubstantiated and/or outright false and a lot of good people are having problems separating the unreliable & bogus from the reasonably reliable. Deductive reasoning derived from subjective analysis that excludes consideration of objective possible alternatives is likely to yield an illogical conclusion.

[Canadian Outrage]

Good!! The Aruban Government are under the spotlight right now and after a month of it, it's probably getting mighty hot. This Island SURVIVES on American tourist dollars. They have a LOT to loose and Beth Twitty doesn't strike me as one that will leave without answers.

[LongViewSC]

I hope and pray that some higher ups in Aruba, do the math and decide that the coverup is not in the best interest of the island. I long for the days of the old west. Urine would be in a tree by now.

[Canadian Outrage]

Speaking of leaving, I'm going to leave this office!! Sheesh. I'll take this back up when I get home. BBL compadres! CO

[hummingbird]

Excuse my tinfoil derby. It was a gift.

LOL! That's what I ALWAYS want to know in cases like this...where the hell is ECHELON?!

"That's OUR tax dollars paying for it...use it!"

LOL!

[onyx]

You'll miss Greta's show! HURRY.

[kcvl]

I know, can you get over these people going on with this Judge LIE???? This alone says a great deal about their LACK of character.

I feel sorry for the mother because I think her husband and son are liars. I'm not sure she understands that just yet. She seems completely ignorant of what her son is capable of doing. Or that her husband is capable of a cover up of a crime. She may have me fooled too though. Especially since she said her son doesn't drink. I have seen a drink in his hand in almost every photo that I have seen of him.

[Toespi]

It seems as though you are obsessed with comments I have made. You are misusing statements I have made by only quoting one lines out of several that meets your requirements to flame me. I am not going to defend myself against you in any way but I am going to tell you to knock off the personal attacks, now. The very first critical post I made was as follows and incidentally, I still stand by this opinion. NOW READ CAREFULLY THE PART WHERE I STATED "UNTIL I KNEW ALL THE FACTS"

Seems as though Jug wants it all. Just last week he called Joran's father a slimeball on or something of that nature, showed up at their home at 3:00 am with a posse from Alabama demanding answers and now this week he wants him out looking for Natalie and wearing a bracelet. Until I knew all the facts regarding my son's involvement, I would be furious with the accusations being made against my family, and so would everyone else if the situation were reversed, betcha even Jug would be a little fired up.

[Pepper777]

All of your points were good. I was responding to another poster who was defending PVDS for allowing Greta and Beth to come into his home. I'm not convienced he did it for any reason other than for his OWN benifit and the reasons you gave. We're on the same page.

I do not trust PVDS at all. His wife on the other hand, I believe to be very naive and blinded by her love for her son and husband. It's been said they have an estate in Holland. I can't help but wonder how much pull they have with the Judge who appeared from another location on Sunday and released PVDS. Do they know one another and etc?

[auboy]

Thanks for the reminder. BBL. :-)

[hummingbird]

I'm a conservative cuckoo myself, so I'm not really offended!

Yaelle, that link to WEBSLEUTHS had a very interesting "take" on what might have happened to Natalie and why the parents zoomed in on Joran from the beginning. It was by poster "cynder" and I encourage others to check it out.

Thanks for the link.

[hummingbird]

Link to WEBSLEUTHS was 3,644, I think!