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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3
Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/23/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by stlnative

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)



I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE


Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)


This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.




TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
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To: cajungirl

You are out of line for your personal attack on me. I have never once defended the VDS family nor would I, because I do not know the truth, Joran seems to be rather guilty in this matter. But I do know that the tactics used that morning by Jug and friends did not advance their cause. During the interview, I found Jug Twitty to be petty and self-absorbed which was my observation and opinion and frankly, I am ususally right.


3,761 posted on 06/28/2005 3:22:29 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: monkeywrench

The authorities were there! So are they aiding and abetting vigilantes?

The authorities also used the "cowboy"word and the minute I heard it I knew something was rotten there.


3,762 posted on 06/28/2005 3:23:30 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Toespi
She didn't attack you.

"which was my observation and opinion and frankly, I am ususally right liberal"

3,763 posted on 06/28/2005 3:24:37 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Toespi

I disagree. This kid was a snot right from the FIRST time the Twitty's asked him a few questions. His attitude stunk. And then the father jumped in and said "This isn't America, Joran You say Nothing"!! This 17 year old boy knew he would be supported by his father REGARDLESS of whether he was wrong. And why do you say this HOSTIILE group? They didn't start out hostile. They simply wanted the boy to help them with some answers. It BECAME hostile but not because of Natalee's family.


3,764 posted on 06/28/2005 3:25:35 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Toespi

I was referring to your saying that had anyone shown up at your home at 3 am looking for a missing child that our son knew something of, you would advise silence and kick them off your property.

Now you opined your personal beliefs and an admissionof your actions in the above case. That tells me worlds about you and the kind of human being you are.

And if your child has been missing for a month with the authorities not doing a decent job of finding them, you might be self absorbed in pain. But instead you judge these people, these poor people who are in a hell very few of us know.

Nobody associates willingly with a person who acts as you say you would act. That is a fact dear.


3,765 posted on 06/28/2005 3:26:26 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: johnb838

No, I think it should be done professionally and methodically until the evidence is extracted.


3,766 posted on 06/28/2005 3:26:54 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: johnb838

I nearly dropped my coffee when I heard what this kid had said to his mother about "kicking her butt" also. The mother didn't appear to have a clue how that might sound.


3,767 posted on 06/28/2005 3:28:00 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: cajungirl

No, the authorities that used the whiney "vigilante". The friends of pvdsl. Not the two cops that were there. I'm sure the other couple of cops that were there said, "upset" or "worried".


3,768 posted on 06/28/2005 3:29:06 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Toespi

You not only defended the VDS family, you went further and said you would have kicked them off your property.

How come you are allowed to call this family petty, vigilante, self absorbed, etc. and when someone says you have no heart, you are offended.

A piece of work you are.


3,769 posted on 06/28/2005 3:29:22 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

About 30 years ago, the local sheriff and a neighboring rancher showed up at our house at 1:00 AM, demanding to question our (then) 13 year old son. The rancher's barn was on fire because some kids threw firecrackers into it. I very politely invited them in, offered them iced tea and lemon wafers. I woke our son and my husband. They joined us for the refreshments. We then asked our son to tell them all he knew, or didn't know, about the incident. We knew he was innocent and had been home all night busy with chores and then to bed early. I knew he never left the house because I was up late watching Johnny Carson.

The point is............we acted responsibly and politely to the sheriff and our neighbor. Had our son been guilty, we might have acted differently. Ala the van der Sloots.

Guilt is far more belligerant than innocence.


3,770 posted on 06/28/2005 3:31:19 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Canadian Outrage
"God I hope Mark is wrong on this one. May God HIMSELF help this family. I remember how it seemed that God HIMSELF just picked up Laci Peterson and her son and washed them ashore for the whole world to see where her loving husband had dropped them.!! That storm that washed them up was very Unusual according to the Harbor master!! He can do it again."

Best post of the day, I just wanted to re-post it.

I heard a snippet today of a report regarding special prayers to the deceased Pope John Paul would be answered. I'm not Catholic so I don't know and I missed most of the report, but can we just say a prayer that Natalee can call out somehow to those searching for her. Just a small clue is all we need to find her.

3,772 posted on 06/28/2005 3:34:27 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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To: Canadian Outrage

I just think that showing up at a family's home at 3:00 AM making demands did nothing but create hostility, it certainly did not help find Natalee. However, going to the family home at 8:00 AM and asking a few smart questions may have been less aggressive and netted better results.


3,773 posted on 06/28/2005 3:36:20 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: cajungirl

Your post #3749 - AMEN!!


3,774 posted on 06/28/2005 3:37:02 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: WestCoastGal

I heard a snippet today of a report regarding special prayers to the deceased Pope John Paul would be answered.





I'm Catholic. I wish I'd heard that report. I'd say go ahead and pray. He's not a saint yet, but I think he's listening.


3,775 posted on 06/28/2005 3:37:39 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: Canadian Outrage
Your post #3749 - AMEN!!

Concur

3,776 posted on 06/28/2005 3:38:09 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Toespi
Back again, I see.

I think I would be a little concerned if a posse showed up at my house at 3:00 in the am demanding my son.

Once again, facts don't seem to come into play with your smears against the Twittys: they flew to Aruba, met with the police, went to the hotel, found out Joran was the last one seen with her and went WITH THE POLICE to his home to find out where the heck she was.

Incidentally, even if I knew my son was innocent beyond a shadow of a doubt I would tell him not to say a word

Why? If you have nothing to hide, why would you IMPEDE the investigating into a missing child by ordering your son to clam up?

which would be before I demanded they turn the spotlights off and get the hell off of my property.

Right. I can see you telling that to the police right now. NOT.

3,777 posted on 06/28/2005 3:39:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Rushmore Rocks
About 30 years ago, the local sheriff and a neighboring rancher showed up at our house at 1:00 AM, demanding to question our (then) 13 year old son. The rancher's barn was on fire because some kids threw firecrackers into it. I very politely invited them in, offered them iced tea and lemon wafers. I woke our son and my husband. They joined us for the refreshments. We then asked our son to tell them all he knew, or didn't know, about the incident. We knew he was innocent and had been home all night busy with chores and then to bed early. I knew he never left the house because I was up late watching Johnny Carson.

The point is............we acted responsibly and politely to the sheriff and our neighbor. Had our son been guilty, we might have acted differently. Ala the van der Sloots.

Guilt is far more belligerant than innocence.

Yes, and your neighbor would do the same for you. Good neighbors is what helps keep all of us safe. We are only asking Aruba to be a good neighbor.

If not, ...

3,778 posted on 06/28/2005 3:40:30 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: monkeywrench; Toespi

Using "Alabama Posse",too, which btw, I'm a member of.

I guess the Twittys forgot their horses, sixguns, and rope. But they did come with the "Sheriff", like a good "posse" should.


3,779 posted on 06/28/2005 3:40:41 PM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: cajungirl

Nobody who was INNOCENT would do that.


3,780 posted on 06/28/2005 3:41:03 PM PDT by Howlin
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