Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[monkeywrench]

Thanks, refreshing it worked!

She also said it's about 2 minute drive from where they searched yesterday.

[WestCoastGal]

" It just all depends on who you believe, I guess."

Good post

Yes, I believe Beth & Jug not the one's lying from the get go.

[WestCoastGal]

"arubagirl wrote: Somebody saw the car of the brothers (the person is very familiar with the car, sees it almost daily, saw the brothers on the road at two am, going TO the direction of Montanja."

That's where they were searching the water area yesterday IIRC.

[NCjim]

Mark

[Pepper777]

" They werre not taking the law into their hands, but leading the law to the last person known to see their daughter. Doesn't anyone get that,,THE POLICE WERE WITH THEM.""

I totally agree. I think Beth and Jug did the right thing by trying to question the LAST person know to be with their missing daughter. PVDS should have told his son to answer all the Twitty's questions. To have done the opposite, makes him and his son look like they were hiding something.

I sill think the VDS family got special treatment due to their standing, with those in power. Where's the outrage for the two security guards who were arrested by a posse of cowboys, because the Dutch son implicated them in Natalee's disappearance? Juran and his father didn't give a rip about them, imo.

[LongViewSC]

Where's the outrage for the two security guards who were arrested by a posse of cowboys, because the Dutch son implicated them in Natalee's disappearance? Juran and his father didn't give a rip about them, imo. I believe the father and son along with the other three men arrested wanted to pin it on the two security guards.

[LongViewSC]

If I was the Mom at the point that I decided that Natalee was not going to be found because of an Aruba cover up, I would scream from the roof tops in Aruba the fact that the white dutch rulers tried to pin a murder committed by five of their own on two African-Arubians. Things like this can stir the masses into action.

[TexKat]

Cover Up Going in Natalee Holloway Case? (VIDEO) - Dan Abrams

[monkeywrench]

This from the scared monkey board.

"HEY WIZ!!!! "

"Still catching up...."

"I just talked to mickey john again after seeing fox 10 pm primer of him stating that jvds and pvds made up holiday inn drop off lie. "

"I said y"you told me family...not who/ like joran and dad made up lie" hesaid yes, this he has said from the start!!!! WTF???? And also he said that his local take has been that all people there have understood as "family" this was the way from start w/ pvds making up HI story He couln't believe "we" viewing Scared Monkeys and FOX did not to date know that yes, paulus and boys sat around early on to make up "

<]"lie about holiday inn...and deepak did tell mickey in jail that they went to the lighthouse and brothers dropped of NH and JVDS @ Marriot. For what it is worth Mickey says he believed Deepak who was also sorry for his agreeing to the lie after NH went missing.....and he was in jail for it."

[spectre]

As things look now, there is just cause to believe that Joran knows more about what happened that night than we have heard. I am not sure his Dad is involved, but he could be.

OTOH, I have yet to hear how gracious it was for Paul Van Der Sloot to invite Beth and Greta into their home for a 90 minute talk.

I can't understand not being able to give credit where it is due. PVDS didn't HAVE to ask them in...points for him. That's all..(ducking for cover now)..

sw

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Gingersnaps, the way it is Natalee is an American girl on vaction in Aruba. she was last seen in the company of the three perps.

This investigation has been a sham from day one. Many on this site are sick and tired of this Aruban Investigative Circus.

Many of us here on the FR are going to voice our thoughts, feelings, to include anger as to this case. The Holloway's are hurting and so are we.

We cannot be like the spinless RINOs who constantly let evil triumph over good. Yes, there will be conjecture and some plausible speculations. Joran is pronounced (Urine) in Aruba and the Vander Sloots are acting like snots through their subterfuge in this case.

My concept is that many here on FR feel this way concerning Natalee&the Holloway family. " If The Aruban viper has bitten Natalee, then the viper has bitten me."

A Great Freeper exposed the Rather Memos for the fakes they were and shutdown a democrat character assassination ploy.

When perps have a eleven day reprieve to destroy forensic evidence, we all tend to be upset. We are all supporting the Holloway's in a quest for justice not injustice.

If it were you or I in the same situation in Aruba. We could rest assured, the majority of Freepers would stand with us through the duration and closure.(Full Support)

Please accept my humble reasoning as to why people want this case solved. Sometimes words are left better unsaid and the only dumb theory is the one not brought to light.

Well Gingersnaps, I think I will retire to the survival bunker. Once inside smoke a little (peyote), shape-shift into a Chupacobra and go on the prowl.(Evening comedy metaphor) NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

A very good thought and non-tinfoil. It may be very possible to utilize. NSNR

[RememberTheAlamo]

Thanks to both of you for responding.

[jacquej]

I have been listening to Bush speaking. When he began, I had an "intuition", and I hate those.

For whatever it is worth, my intuition tells me there are two sides in this world. The side of life and light, and the side of death and dark. The side of death and dark lies all the time, trying to get us to give up hope in light and life.

I am not sure GWB really understands what he is is up against. We freepers kinda see it in the cause du jour. It is a big fight, and it is going to be ugly. It is world-wide. It will get worse before it gets better. I hate feeling this way.

God bless and support Beth. She needs our prayers. So does GWB.

[toldyou]

I was just on riehlworldview again and was reading comments. The following comment was posted:

"So Jethro owned the Octapus-Aruba?? And he and the whole company (including boat) just up and vanished?--How long after Natalee's disappearance?"
Date: 06-02-05 07:23


Another comment made was that the "Octopus was always docked in front of the Holiday Inn." I googled octopus aruba, then saw comments such as these two, travelers advising other travelers on what boats to use:

"I have never used any organization for snorkeling. We drive to the locations and snorkel from shore.
However, we have been on Sunset Cruises with Catain, Jethro, and First Mate, Jeff, on the Octopus. These guys are a lot of fun and make sure all passengers have a good time. They also have snorkel trips. I am sure their trips would be fun. I have seen the Octopus at the same sites as other snorkel trips.

You can find out more about Jethro, Jeff, and the Octopus at:

http://www.octopus-aruba.com/"


geechee Monday, June 27th, 2005 07:48 PM

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"Re: Which sailboat cruise -no snorkel stops?

Hi, the Octopus was reccomended to us by a couple who, I believe sailed last month, but their website is no longer online. Does know if they possibly closed the business in the last month or two, if not, does anyone know how to make reservation. Thanks."


I, too, tried www.octopus-aruba.com, and the web site is down. What do all of you FReepers think?

[monkeywrench]

Latest report is, they're back in business. Hard telling.

[Pepper777]

I agree with you.

[dangerfield]

I second that, whole heartedly.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Cajungirl people defending the VDS's should move their asses to Aruba. Maybe they will become a victim and see Aruban Law Enforcement/collsuion at it's best. NSNR

[toldyou]

Thanks! And I thought I was such a sleuth! I gotta stop reading other people's comments and stop trying to solve this case. I should just leave it up to Geraldo! HA!