Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[af_vet_1981]

"He says, 'Mom, I dropped the girl at the beach. I walked with her. I left her there because she wanted to stay there. I left and I don't know what happened. There my statement ends,'" Anita van der Sloot said. Anita van der Sloot didn't say which beach. When asked if Joran had changed his initial story, she replied, "Joran changed his story only one time. I think he was scared because he sneaked out of the house that evening. I think he was scared and wanted to cover other people too. He changed his story once and added details." 340 posted on 06/23/2005 5:56:20 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

It sounds like she is lying now. I initially thought she had nothing to do with the case. Now I think she wants to obstruct it so the perps can go free.

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If there is never a body found then convicting any of them will be very hard. PVDS would know this and he probably knew to make sure they got rid of her body and everything would blow over. The story about the security guards might have been dreamed up by the father and he may have told the boys to say it. I just keep thinking that there was a meeting between all 3 boys and the father. The boys would be included because Joran might have called Deepak first (one hour after Deepak drop them at the beach). The father may have come into the picture during the panic, either they took Natalee to Joran house or they stashed her body on the beach and drove back to Joran's house to wake his father up. However it went down I really believe the father helped get rid of her body.

Pushing Joran to school on Monday would have been his fathers idea so that everything seemed normal in Joran's life.

If they all keep quiet then there won't be anyone convicted unless they find some hard evidence (like her body or a crime scene with her DNA all over it).

I just hope that the brother played no part in killing her and that they start telling everything they know and quit covering for Joran now that his father is in jail. They also may know what happened to Natalee's body and they may feel that Joran will walk free, so they are still keeping tight lipped.

[kcvl]

VDS's dad will be held another 48 hours per Fox News.

[TexKat]

Fox News confirming that Paulus Van Der Sloot will remain incarcerated for another 48 hours.

[kcvl]

Thank you for keeping up with all of this and pinging me to the threads. I really appreciate it.

[demkicker]

So let's put 2 & 2 together....bet ya' it came from Natalee's Mom's 90 minute conversation with Joran's parents. Beth gleened some info then she gave it to either the police or her Aruban Attorney ... anyway it was turned over to the police. That's why she didn't keep the 3PM appointment yesterday...she knew what was probably up and knew she'd gotten some inconsistencies from Joran's Dad.

I think you just answered the $64,000.00 question! It makes sense that Beth picked up on a crucial inconsistency but pretended she wanted to meet with them again the next day. Beth probably made the information known to either the FBI or some contact with the Aruban authorities. I can't wait for everything to unfold and see if we can confirm this hunch.

[maggief]

From the community webshots link:

This one titled "on Steve's boat"

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303774481/303790129keaFOC

http://community.webshots.com/album/303774481pOrWjl/3

http://community.webshots.com/album/303774481pOrWjl/4

[TexKat]

Linda Allison, Natalees aunt is talking about Paulus sweating and wringing his hands when Greta and Holloway-Twitty was at the VDS. Also discussing Paulus's attitude at the hotel toward Jug. Linda states that they have gotten only bits and pieces. She states that they pray and God gives them strength to carry on. They have hope that Natalee is still alive. It may be possible that Natalee was kidnapped and who ever has her they could be moving her from house to house is Linda's answer to a question that was posed to her by Alan Colmes.

[demkicker]

Fox News confirming that Paulus Van Der Sloot will remain incarcerated for another 48 hours.

Thanks, TexKat, I'm on FR and away from the t.v., but have been wondering if daddy sloot would be let go. I'm very glad he's being held longer.

[TexKat]

I know that you do kcvl. My heart goes out to you as well as Natalee's family and friends.

[TexKat]

Wonder who Steve was closest to Deepak or Joran?

[demkicker]

Linda Allison, Natalees aunt is talking about Paulus sweating and wringing his hands when Greta and Holloway-Twitty was at the VDS.

I also noticed that daddy sloot was sweating profusely during the Greta interview. Someone said on an earlier post that it sure was convenient that the telephone rang and daddy sloot took the opportunity to leave the interview altogether.

He was obviously very uncomfortable and nervous. His body language spelled "guilty" if you ask me. I doubt daddy sloot has even told his wife the truth, but he definitely has crucial information involving his son, and may have helped get rid of Natalee (dead or alive). If not, and he's innocent, Joran will start talking to protect his dad, IMO.

[maggief]

Okay, perhaps I'm a tad naive. I think I now get the Cn'C/Tatto m.o. They play the drinking games, the girls get on stage for the booty games, some regular locals arrive around last call to hit on the loaded tourists.

Here's the main page of the photo album I posted earlier, includes pics from Cn'C:

http://community.webshots.com/album/303774481pOrWjl/4

[TexKat]

Anita van der Sloot speaks to the press shortly after her husband Paul van der Sloot was detained in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, just weeks after her son Joran, 17, was taken into custody in connection with the same case, at her home in Noord, Aruba, Thursday, June 23, 2005. Paul van der Sloot is a judicial official on the Dutch Caribbean island. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

Marcia Twitty talks with reporters about the latest arrest in the case of missing niece Natalee Holloway, Thursday, June 23, 2005, in Mountain Brook, Ala. Holloway was last seen during a graduation trip to Aruba on May 30. Twitty is standing in front of a 'wall of hope' erected for the teenager. (AP Photo/Jay Reeves)

[maggief]

oops, correct link:

http://community.webshots.com/user/shhhhakaron

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that's him for sure

[TexKat]

convenient that the telephone rang

If I remember correctly the phone rang both times that Greta was there.

[bonfire]

Thank you brigette.

[TexKat]

Okay, perhaps I'm a tad naive. I think I now get the Cn'C/Tatto m.o. They play the drinking games, the girls get on stage for the booty games, some regular locals arrive around last call to hit on the loaded tourists.

Better late than never maggiefluffs, lol.

Once I saw all the pictures I sort of knew what was happening. I have a daughter that graduated high school 2 years ago. When she was in highschool she was in the band. They had a lot of outings and quite a few social gatherings, plus the yearly battle of the bands. I chaperoned just about 90% of these outings and when I was not chaperoning I was still present. On alot of these occasions there were these sleez ball individuals (men and women) that would show up passing out fliers inviting our teenagers to these booty girl parties.

We had a band dance for the band members one year at a hotel and across the hall one of these booty parties was being held. I patrolled the hallway and it was not easy to keep some and some I was unsuccessful of keeping our 18 year olds from leaving our band dance and joining the booty party. The only thing that brought them back to the band dance was a fight that broke out at the booty party, (2 booty girls fighting).

[demkicker]

If I remember correctly the phone rang both times that Greta was there.

Did she mention it rang when they weren't on camera with Beth's interview? I don't remember Greta reporting about it, but there are so many nuances about his case, I can barely keep up!

I do have a very good feeling about daddy sloot's arrest though. Joran should be cracking as we speak or at least in the next few hours.