Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[Palladin]

Don't ATM's in Aruba have video-cams? The police would see on tape whether it was Joran or Paul using the card.

[TexKat]

This is replaying now on Fox News. Greta stated that PVDS was the one to inform her about he and Joran being in the HI casino bar.

I wonder if that is where his story changed from what he had told LE and caught the ears of LE.

[Palladin]

Jeez! I meant "probable" cause.

Now I'm speaking pistachiomento, or whatever that Aruban lingo is.

[the Deejay]

They have to leave b/c of
all influx of tourists
arriving for vacation.

Although, I do think some
of them are just curious
and want to be in the
thick of things.

[the Deejay]

Ah yeah, I forgot about his yacht.

He could let Greta stay on his yacht.

[Neenah]

Yes, he is there !! (doesn't that make everything right with the world ! )

One good thing tho...he don't follow Rita the Breathless.

[beyond the sea]

The town gossip..... yes that's what everyone knew her as, the "town gossip". She was curious about every family's problems.

Then one cold January evening when I was 13 years old, my father jumped to his death from a bridge. My family was unlucky enough to have the "town gossip" living right across the road from us. The very next morning.... bright and early and bitterly cold, the "town gossip" found it oddly necessary to traipse across the road to question my broken-hearted mother on the details she was unfortunate not to find in the local morning paper. It was disgusting and very, very sad for my mother.

There are a few of those "town gossips" on this thread, if I may say so, the kind of people who have not enough in their lives, they must spend a great deal of their time on threads such as these.

Darn, how would the world be without "town gossips" howling and speculating about others' unfortunate situations.

This world would be better if the "town gossips" would go read a good book.

[spectre]

We know that Pappa VDS thought Joran was home in bed after 11pm.

If someone did use the ATM, then it was only Joran or his father. I could be wrong.

I don't think that Pappa deliberately set out to connect with Joran and Natalee in the early hours. My speculation is that he was just the clean up guy..It's all I can think of :(

sw

[CitizenM]

Hey...you Spec Ops people are some kinda courageous. Salute to you. I know...but my husband was a Marine (then switched to USCG) for years. So I am partial to Semper Fi. LOL

You wrote: Rape has nothing to do with love...

And, you are right that rape has nothing to do with love -- for sure! Who said that it did? Ugh, not me I hope I did not infer that. But, I don't think rape or "love" are even part of this. Certainly there was not enough time to have real love.

And, it has never been proven what their time on the beach involved. It could be as innocent as two teens, behaving as teens do sometimes, filled with the hormones, excitement, delight of a night in paradise, and the thoughts of the end to a vacation. Without any intimate sex involved, but just the playfulness of petting. I think it would be hard for me to feel for sure they had sex. I am not naive, I know that happens, of course, but until proven I just cannot state for sure. They could have just been sitting, talking, petting, and sharing thoughts.

I am not going to assume they had sex of the full nature. Sure they could have. It could have been consensual or not. I do not want to judge either of them on that issue. Teens have sex, sure, but a lot of time they just like to be together.

[Howlin]

OH NO.............NOT GERALDO!!!

[Howlin]

Buzz off.

[TexKat]

Natalee Holloway a wòrdu asesiná ?

Latest developments (Saturday):According to Natalee's aunt on Larry King (CNN) on Friday, some psychics have been in contact with Beth Holloway, but they have not provided any solid information (yet). Part of the transcript:

CALLER: Hi, my question is for Kelly. Has any thought been given to possibly bringing in a psychic to help?

HOLLOWAY: To my knowledge, they have had a psychic come in. I don't know what the outcome of that was.

KLAAS: It's a waste of time and it's a waste of resource.

KING: Why?

KLAAS: Because they don't find anybody. We had a million psychics. Here's what these folks want. They want a free ticket to Aruba. They want a free vacation. I would stay far away, leave this to the professionals.

KING: Stacey, have you ever used a psychic in an investigation?

HONOWITZ: I never used a psychic in an investigation, and I think basically what they really need are good interrogators. I mean, Michael knows that there are police officers, detectives, and Marc knows this, that are specially trained in interrogations. And over there, as I said before, we don't know how sophisticated the police force is. They certainly haven't seen a crime like this before, and I think bringing in the behavioral specialists, along with very, very talented interrogators is going to be the answer to this case.

Whole transcript can be found here

We had contact with Dan Riehl and he told us that he conducted an intreview with F as well. You can see it here.

[Neenah]

I agree. I also think the "press" (meaning FOX) will get blamed for alot. That Greta is a little bloodhound !!!!!!!

I just bet the Govt. is tearing their hair out now that THE AMERICANS have landed and are on their tail .

[WestCoastGal]

"First I've heard about the man NH met on her flight to Aruba! And this isn't being investigated??!!"

Amazing isn't it. I heard that for the first time last night on Greta (who else!) She said they were following up on this because this man has not left the island and hasn't been found yet. Of course as fast as the news is moving on this story, this may have been solved already. I don't know.

[beyond the sea]

Guilty conscience?

You're illustrating some of the Hillary paranoia.

[Neenah]

They had to leave their hotel rooms because they were booked. So they were all running around trying to find another place to stay.

Greta said.

[TexKat]

OH NO.............NOT GERALDO!!!

Unfortunately this should be fun and/or teeth griting eye penetrating disgusting.

[beyond the sea]

If you think that applies to you, so be it.

Is there a library nearby?

;-)

[spectre]

You're out of your element here, BS..But I can assure you that those OTHER threads you love to post to, with their TOWN GOSSIP make these look tame.

sw

[the Deejay]

NOT GERALDO!!!

LOL! Ah yes, indeedy. Taking his yaaaccchhhhttttttt.

Just hope he doesn't screw up.