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France wants to rapidly close large unmanned aircraft technology gap they have with the Americans
The Jerusalem Post ^ | June 22, 2005 | Marc Daugherty

Posted on 06/22/2005 5:39:50 AM PDT by FraudFactor.com

France wants to rapidly close large unmanned aircraft technology gap they have with the Americans


"France fully acknowledges Israel's experience in the development of advanced pilotless aircraft. We strongly feel France must rapidly close the large gap existing between us and the Americans in this field," said Francois Moysan to The Jerusalem Post. Moysan is a project engineer for the French Defense Ministry Armaments Directorate. Moysan also said IAI would team up with European defense giant EADS in a new $350 million French contract for the joint development of EuroMALE - a high-altitude, long-range, wide-body drone.
"EuroMALE will be offered to a consortium of EU states, some of which have already announced their intention to participate in the project. These include Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden," Moysan added



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Israel puts the designs on Paris Air Show By MARC DAUGHERTY

Jun. 22, 2005 8:00 | Updated Jun. 22, 2005 13:36

PARIS

Business is booming, said nearly all of Israel's aerospace and defense officials present at this year's Paris Air Show. Le Bourget is the premier venue for the world's aerospace industries, and the place for defense officials to mix, mingle and poke around.

Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) says it expects a backlog of about $11 billion, an impressive 12% increase over 2004. CEO Moshe Keret attributes the growing orders to burgeoning cooperation agreements with the United States, Asia and Europe (which is about to become Israel's second-largest defense and aerospace export market).

"We are also trying to deepen our cooperation because of common needs and interests," said Keret.

Israel is keen on expanding its European footprint, and France appears to be its improbable new defense research and marketing partner.

"France fully acknowledges Israel's experience in the development of advanced pilotless aircraft. We strongly feel France must rapidly close the large gap existing between us and the Americans in this field," said Francois Moysan to The Jerusalem Post. Moysan is a project engineer for the French Defense Ministry Armaments Directorate. Moysan also said IAI would team up with European defense giant EADS in a new $350 million French contract for the joint development of EuroMALE - a high-altitude, long-range, wide-body drone.

"EuroMALE will be offered to a consortium of EU states, some of which have already announced their intention to participate in the project. These include Italy, the Netherlands, Spain and Sweden," Moysan added

The EuroMALE is a 26-meter-wide version of the IAI Eagle I and II drones sold to France between 2002 and 2004, and will carry 600 kg of cameras and radars, compared to the Eagle's 250 kg.

IAI's corporate vice president Doron Suslik also confirmed reports in France's Liberation daily that French engineers are currently stationed at IAI to work on the EuroMALE.

Further, trained eyes couldn't fail to notice the French Sperwer drone armed with two Israeli RAFAEL Spike precision guided anti-tank missiles. While both Israeli and French government officials kept mum on this project, RAFAEL spokeswoman Gila Harel confirmed that "RAFAEL is working on the armed version of the Sperwer with French defense contractor Sagem." Sagem plans to offer the armed drone to existing Sperwer users such as the Netherlands and France.

Harel also confirmed reports in Flight International saying that RAFAEL and IAI has agreed with the French government to develop advanced micro-satellites. Such satellites would use a plasma beam of ionized gas for propulsion.

Another trend confirmed at Le Bourget is Israel's strategy of increasing its civilian aviation market share. IAI has signed a contract to supply US manufacturer Vought with $500 million in parts for Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, a fuel-efficient, long-haul passenger jet.

In addition, IAI sources unveiled plans to develop the world's first unmanned cargo plane. The twin-boom, twin-engine transport would carry several tons of freight, be 20 meters long, and have a nearly 30-meter wingspan. Indeed, pilotless planes might replace manned aircraft for such civilian assignments. Australian unmanned air vehicle maker Aerosonde also displayed a model of a drone it hopes will make the world's first trans-Atlantic pilotless parcel delivery, along with NASA.

However, Israeli and French executives stressed that problems remain, as flying pilotless cargo planes over populated areas will undoubtedly pose regulatory problems.

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PARIS (Continued from page 1 of 2) Also prominently on display was the Javelin light trainer jet, which has already landed 90 orders in the US, according to US designer George Bye, CEO of ATG, which will manufacture the Javelin jointly with IAI.

As older jet trainers get more expensive to maintain, the Javelin will become more and more attractive. Analysts expect a market of nearly 4,000 trainer jets worldwide as air forces retire obsolete and expensive-to-run planes such as the IAF's Fougas.

Finally, all Israeli defense executives stressed that no military projects with the US have been placed on hold because of tensions over Israeli arms exports to China. Some, however, expressed fears that Washington might impose sanctions if the crisis isn't resolved soon. Elbit's Menahem Barkav confirmed that programs to fit American F-16, F-15, F-18E/F and F-22 fighters with Elbit's Joint Mounted Helmet Cuing System (JMHCS) are on track. The JMHCS, a helmet-mounted air combat display, is supplied to the US via Elbit's American partner Rockwell.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerialvehicle; aerospace; defense; drone; euromale; france; israel; military; parisairshow; pilotlessaircraft; uav; unmanned
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To: FraudFactor.com

France would do better to tie it's desire to rise in international commpetition on soap and under arm hair.


21 posted on 06/22/2005 6:41:58 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: jveritas
Yeah, like with their efforts to "close the gap" with the U.S. Navy in terms of carrier aviation. It ain't working out that well...

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/6305-frenchjets.html

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1415634/posts

and

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2003127.asp
22 posted on 06/22/2005 6:46:07 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: FraudFactor.com
We strongly feel France must rapidly close the large gap existing between us and the Americans in this field

What about the other stuff , like high unemployment and low growth and stagnant productivity and and actuarilly unsound pension plans ?? Oh, yea, that will have to wait.

23 posted on 06/22/2005 6:49:08 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: happyathome

What I have never understood, is why and how the Foreign Legion has gained and kept such a fine record of valor and courage while regular French army forces are such a joke. Is it because of the political disconnect between the Legion and the French government? I guess that's my other question, to whom does the Legion answer? Who or what entity deploys them?


24 posted on 06/22/2005 6:52:04 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: SMARTY

The Foreign Legion is primarily made up of non-French. Hence the name. Most of the officers are French, and some of the enlisted are French who get in by claiming to be Belgian. But the overwhelming majority are non-French (its actually against the law for Frenchmen to enlist).


25 posted on 06/22/2005 6:57:12 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: McGavin999
So the french are sucking up to the Israelis in order to con them out of US technological info? And the Israelis are going along with this?

UAVs like the Harpy are Israeli technology, not American

26 posted on 06/22/2005 6:58:18 AM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
27 posted on 06/22/2005 6:59:00 AM PDT by SJackson (Israel should know if you push people too hard they will explode in your faces, Abed. palestinian)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Thank you for the links. France is a joke.


28 posted on 06/22/2005 7:00:25 AM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: FraudFactor.com
Since there are no men IN France, any French aircraft is, by definition, "unmanned." There, gap closed.
29 posted on 06/22/2005 7:05:31 AM PDT by LouD
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To: happyathome
I know it is against the 'rule' for French nationals to enter the Legion. But, in recent reading, I got the impression that Legion recruiters wink at this and a majority of enlistees are French. After the second war, the make up was something like over 60% German throughout and more than that in the officer core. I am sure it has changed by now but it sounds like the Legion rule against French nationals was never a hard fast one.

BTW It was really interesting to look at the national composition of the Legion over the years. It was a telling demographic, especially after the world wars. So far as their records demonstrated, you can see where the 'displaced or disaffected' from everywhere found a home in the Legion. In one calculation the record listed 'one' Legionnaire from a small African country (can't remember the name right now). After the second WW, lots of former SS were represented in the Legion...maybe hiding out or nothing to go home to...
30 posted on 06/22/2005 7:06:26 AM PDT by SMARTY
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To: FraudFactor.com
France wants to rapidly close large unmanned aircraft technology gap they have with the AmericansHow do you say snicker in French?
31 posted on 06/22/2005 7:09:22 AM PDT by swampfox98 (Michael Reagan: "It's time to stop the flood.")
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To: FraudFactor.com

I guess the frogs want to make a planne that can deliver their letters of surrender instead of requiring the enemy to come to them.


32 posted on 06/22/2005 7:21:24 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: Ron in Acreage

You shouldn't say those things......even if they are true. :-)


33 posted on 06/22/2005 7:24:58 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: Ron in Acreage
They need to concentrate on making decent tires for Formula One!

I got so much mileage last weekend out of all of the French Surrender jokes I've heard on FR over the past 5 years.

34 posted on 06/22/2005 8:25:31 AM PDT by gura
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To: All

Israel supporting our enemy with military technology AGAIN. I hope this UAV would not be sold to China which a joint venture with France would be a loophole for the monitoring of Israel military sales by US.


35 posted on 06/22/2005 9:58:42 AM PDT by Wiz
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To: All

One of the technological problems France is having in developing unmanned aircraft is they can't get the French surrender software to function correctly.

It tries to surrender to individual birds when it should only surrender to flocks of birds, where it is outnumbered.

However, they claim to have the French antisemitic software working. This software controls the unmanned aircraft to buzz synagogues and create noise disturbances.


36 posted on 06/22/2005 5:17:54 PM PDT by FraudFactor.com (Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering and achieve more honest and responsive government)
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To: FraudFactor.com
They're looking to award the contract to the folks who built the De Gaulle. That way the enemy will be in constant fear of the a$$ end falling off.
37 posted on 06/22/2005 5:26:40 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: LouD; JimRed; Ron in Acreage; SMARTY; Redbob; When do we get liberated?; jveritas; dob; MortMan; ...
"Since there are no men IN France, any French aircraft is, by definition, "unmanned." There, gap closed."
Then, can we reason, that France is an unmanned country?

This would certainly explain many of France's problems, including the French surrender policy.

38 posted on 06/22/2005 6:36:16 PM PDT by FraudFactor.com (Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering and achieve more honest and responsive government)
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To: FraudFactor.com; Dashing Dasher
Here is a Bleriot, unmanned. What's the problem?

Alternatively, we could just let Ms. Dasher fly it, and it would STILL be unmanned.

39 posted on 06/22/2005 6:42:12 PM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: FraudFactor.com

how 'bout:

vichy frenchy.


40 posted on 06/22/2005 6:46:08 PM PDT by ken21
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