Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[TexKat]

Bump!!

[hershey]

Everything you said is true and fair, except that these young men lied right off the bat, saying they'd dropped her off at the hotel, that a uniformed security guard was approaching her. They lied from the start. Why? Why not just say, oh, she was a little drunk, but okay, wanted to walk on the beach, so we left her there and went home. The fact that they lied, and that they'd clearly gotten together and planned to say exactly the same story is pretty damning. As for the fact that they haven't caved in at this point, probably more than one lawyer has told them to clam up.

[Howlin]

They can't break down a bunch of young men in what must be one of the most important cases on the island; what hope of help or justice does the regular tourist crime victim have down there?

Exactly. Supposedly they are questioning them for up to 11 hours a day; what gives?

[monkeywrench]

Something to trace her with. GPS.

[celtich1]

The refreshments and the candle w/ the prayer card could just be a European thing. My MIL was Austrian and I know she was a big one for that kind of thing. Serving the least little thing on a platter, setting cards/flowers up on the table. Candles here and there.

Everything was always about atmosphere and this was even for the briefest of visits. It might be hard for us to "read" some of these things because of differences in culture and background.

Joran also reminds me of my husband when he was young (even to the point of looking like him somewhat). He, too, was very tall at that age (6'4"), quite spoiled, went to an International School, and would go out carousing with other internationals like Joran. His mother would be at her wits' end with him. I can so much seeing him getting himself in such a situation, but not being guilty of murder.

I don't know WHAT happened, of course, I just hope the real truth somehow comes out, whether it is the three being guilty or others. I pray they are following all possible scenarios.

[TexKat]

a little correction to the above stories. I think the elder Depak brother admitted that he picked up Joran around 3 am. from the Marriot???/

Nope, not so. After all 3 were interrorgated together yesterday, it was reported that Deepak asked Joran why he was lying about who picked him up and Joran stated that oh, thats right it was Statish (sp?) that picked him up.

[Malichi]

It seems to me that we now have a few people here who are attempting to derail this thread. Kinda like when one raises their hand to get the substitute teacher off the subject.
As far as vigilante justice goes, in reference to TOESPI, vigilante justice would be landing a Zodiac on the nearest deserted beach to JVDS's home and bringing him back to Alabama. With the speedy Aruban LE I figure a 5 to 6 man team could pull this off with minimum collateral damage. This is of course, if JVDS walks.
TAW

[TexKat]

Something to trace her with. GPS.

In Aruba, on such a short notice.

You (Natalee's cell phone)would have to be set up for that first of all would it not?

[Howlin]

where he walked home and NH to Holiday Inn, which is just a few 100 meters away.

His home is 100 meters away from the HI? Interesting.

[Howlin]

When called in, he verifies an outdated phony story that was floated as a cover by others?

It's beginning to sound like the "we left her at the HI" story was something agreed upon that very night.

[monkeywrench]

If you have the right connections, why couldn't it be done?

[af_vet_1981]

The DJ was suspected because he told an friend erlier that he was asked to use his boat (not the TATTOO) but a smaller vessel to dump something in the sea.

That would be enough evidence for me to convict all four of them.

[Howlin]

A most excellent plan!

[hershey]

The father is circling family wagons, obstruction of justice. He's probably come to some conclusion about Natalee...that's she dead, by accident and Joran and his pals panicked. No sign of the body, and no way these three could bury her properly to avoid discovery. The obvious thing would have been to toss her to the sharks, and I suspect that's what Papa v.d.S. believes. If so, no amount of telling the truth will get her back, so Papa feels justified in protecting his son. From his expression, you can see he's 'conflicted'. Hate that term, but it's true here. He has a lot on his mind, none of it good.

[Malichi]

Thank you.

[monkeywrench]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/06/tech/main566924.shtml

[gingersnaps]

Are they helping these boys because of who there parents are? Would the black security guards still be in prison w/o Mrs. Twitty's persistence? They can't break down a bunch of young men in what must be one of the most important cases on the island; what hope of help or justice does the regular tourist crime victim have down there?

First of all, the black security guards weren't in "prison." They were being held at the police station for questioning. There's a difference.

Questioning them was probably fully justified, if any witnesses at all thought they saw the guards with Natalie. Even if those witness accounts turned out to be unreliable, you'd still have wanted them questioned jsut to be sure, right?

Putting them in "prison" without sufficient evident would not have been justified, obviously. And they weren't put in prison, they were released -- presumably because authorites could find no real evidence against them. (And I doubt they were released because Aruban authorities have somehow set up Mrs. Twitty as their judge. She's a wonderful lady, but she's not empowered to go around exonerating people.)

Second, while many seem to assume that the van der Sloot family is hugely powerful and influential in Aruba, there are also reports that they are not.

So there are 'reports,' and there are 'reports.' What to believe? I say none of it, unless and until there're hard facts proved under fair rules of evidence.

As far as the Aruban authorites not seeming capable of "break[ing] down a bunch of young men" -- what if it turns our the young men know nothing of Natalee's ultimate fate, as I posted earlier? If that scenario is true, what information exactly are you going to get out of them by "breaking them down" ?

If any or all of those boys were complicit in murder, then they should hang. Or fry. Whatever. But we sure as heck don't know anything of the sort, yet.

[johnb838]

You're just a cowboy.

[Howlin]

They need to stop whinning about how they are being treated, tell the truth, and face the consequences.