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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Link to Previous Thread ^ | 6/20/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/19/2005 10:14:36 PM PDT by stlnative

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)


 


TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: Toespi
3 AM doesn't seem to be an unreasonable hour around there..JVS would have soon been returning from his night out and Mr. Soot from a trip to McD's as it would seem to be typical activity for this family at all hours of the morning

In my state it is legal to point a flashlight at any hour

1,961 posted on 06/23/2005 8:34:50 AM PDT by vigilante2
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To: demkicker

Look, I have not once indicated that I thought Joran was innocent. As a matter of fact, if what we are hearing is accurate, it is pretty damning. The interview last night with Greta and Jug was ridiculous. Didn't anyone notice that everything was Jug's? My friends, my attorney, my investigators, my, my, my. Jug was petty and arrogant and what is most interesting is that he showed far more contempt towards the father than he does Joran himself. As a matter of fact, the morning after Jug arrived in Aruba, his first press comments indicated that the father was a slimeball or something of that nature. It seems that he has pretty much wrapped the case up and one of his most compelling arguments is that the VanderSloot family was not wearing Natalee bracelets and they were not out looking for her. Now that is evidence if you ask me. The authorites have locked up these boys, they have extended their detention and they still have an ongoing investigation. No one really knows what has come out in the interrogations, what evidence they have and who else they could be looking at in this matter. Jug needs to shut up and quit acting like..... yep I will say it again, a vigilante.


1,962 posted on 06/23/2005 8:35:43 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: No Surrender No Retreat; Rippersnapper

I agree that I hope everyone stays. If Rippersnapper should apologize for anything it should be his/her choice of words. NOT for the opinion...

And if apologizing for use of words is in order.. Rippersnapper should be receiving some as well.

Emotions run VERY high in these cases... when you really face it the ONLY thing we can do from where we sit at our computers is pray for all involved.


1,963 posted on 06/23/2005 8:35:52 AM PDT by pamlet
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

This is a case of good parental supervision on part of the VDS's. NSNR


1,964 posted on 06/23/2005 8:36:19 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Howlin

This is there strategy. NSNR


1,965 posted on 06/23/2005 8:37:23 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: brigette
Just a thought, what if she was the daughter of a Mafia boss? or a Kennedy? etc. would we be at a different point in this case than we are now?
1,966 posted on 06/23/2005 8:37:32 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (My tagline is currently being blocked by Congressional filibuster for being to harsh.)
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To: vigilante2

LOL......damn straight!

Plus, after they all talked at the house, the entire group trooped down to the casino to see Joran and his pal, one of the brothers. That's when he got so huffy with Beth Holloway.


1,967 posted on 06/23/2005 8:38:12 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: demkicker
Murder under Dutch law is punishable by a max sentence of 20 yrs. Under extreme circumstances, a life sentence is possible...you would need to show prior convictions, multiple murders, etc.

The Dutch believe that people can be rehabilitated. In my research, it looks like the typical sentence is about 12-15 yrs. In addition, about 1/4-1/3 of the sentence gets cut for good behavior.

The extreme circumstances do not exist in this case...trust me, there is a recent case of a guy who killed his 4 yr old daughter and cut her up into little pieces, and he got 12 yrs....

Oh, btw, attempted murder gets you 2-4...

1,968 posted on 06/23/2005 8:39:12 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: ContemptofCourt
I have never understood why the sentence for attempted murder is ever different from murder. The intention is the same you just are not good at it.
1,969 posted on 06/23/2005 8:42:14 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: Toespi
The authorites have locked up these boys, they have extended their detention and they still have an ongoing investigation.

Psst......the latest reports say that they are at a deadlock with nothing further to investigate.

No one really knows what has come out in the interrogations, what evidence they have and who else they could be looking at in this matter.

It's pretty obvious they have ZIP.

Jug needs to shut up and quit acting like..... yep I will say it again, a vigilante.

God forbid a FATHER would have a word to say about a coverup to prevent him from finding out what they did to his daughter.

1,970 posted on 06/23/2005 8:42:20 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: twigs

Twigs those hands will always be wanting on an American dollar. The sad part from the Potus, congress and house these fools continue to grace these unthankful hands with our tax dollars.

The American blame game is the opiate of the communists,liberals, elitists and terrorists.NSNR


1,971 posted on 06/23/2005 8:43:11 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: Howlin

Just a note: Jug is Natalee's Step-father.


1,972 posted on 06/23/2005 8:43:45 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: 1Old Pro

No body = scott-free.


1,973 posted on 06/23/2005 8:45:10 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Toespi
So true CoC, however, Jug would had told the foreign family to f-off, just as they were being placed into the police cruiser and arrested for a plethora of charges, including being vigilantes.

How do you know what would have happened?..If it wasn't for the vigilance of the Holloway family and all of us supporters out here those bums would probably still be on the streets!

1,974 posted on 06/23/2005 8:46:59 AM PDT by vigilante2
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To: Howlin

I like Greta too. I don't watch her show too often b/c I'm not usually interested in her topic and I would rather read. But when I do, I'm almost always impressed. She has a real ability to get to families in pain and interview them without walking all over them. Personally, I like her trying to understsand the VDS's point of view. While I think Joran knows something and may end up being responsible, I certainly don't know that for sure. I tend to think that Natalee died by accident, maybe from a date rate drug, etc. But the brothers are also involved and I just don't know what to think. But I think we need to look at all sides and I think Greta is second to none in doing that.


1,975 posted on 06/23/2005 8:47:00 AM PDT by twigs
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

I have two stepdaughters; believe me, I AM their mother, too.


1,976 posted on 06/23/2005 8:47:26 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: cherry
I agree with you.

I admire Natalee's mom. The "cheeriness" you speak of, I think, just comes from being a gracious lady, in the true sense of the word lady. And I hope I could be as tenacious and hopeful as she, were I in the same dreadful situation.

BUT. She has been making a PR mistake, as you say, that could be making things worse: I think some of her statements, implying that a lot of Arubans know what happened to Natalee and just aren't being forthcoming, are bound to anger and alienate a lot of innocent and well-meaning people.

Such things were said in understandably frustrated and emotional moments. I give her further credit for recognizing that, and I think she's trying to back away from that kind of accusatory overreach.

1,977 posted on 06/23/2005 8:47:42 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: spectre; Rippersnapper
Rip, all you had to do was come back on and apologize for calling Nat's Mother a b#tch. That's all.

BELO for newbies with a 6/22 signup date going by the name of Chopperfeeder or Cutterdumper. :-/

1,978 posted on 06/23/2005 8:48:17 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
And yeah, these parents' denial of their son's behavior patterns is just appalling. I wonder if they've ever looked at his websites? I just can't imagine letting my 17-yr old son run wild like that.

Have you heard that he doesn't even live under the same roof as they do? He's in a separate apartment attached to their house. A 17 y.o. boy. Have they no sense?

1,979 posted on 06/23/2005 8:49:32 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Howlin
I know this isn't real popular around here, but I like Greta; of course, I'm a court reporter and an unapologetic trial/crime junky!

You are not alone. She taught the public more about law during the OJ trial than any other that I have watched on television. I give her kudos.

1,980 posted on 06/23/2005 8:50:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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