Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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[stlnative]

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[TexKat]

Missing in Aruba - CNN Transcript

S. O'BRIEN: A fourth suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager is set to appear before a judge in Aruba today. It's been exactly three weeks since Natalee Holloway disappeared on that Caribbean island.

Chris Lawrence live for us this morning in Palm Beach, Aruba.

Chris, good morning. What's the latest on this investigation?

CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Soledad, police are definitely looking more closely at one family, the Dutch teenager who hit it off with Natalee the night she disappeared, and his father, who was questioned by police on Saturday and then brought back for more talks the next day.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

LAWRENCE (voice-over): No charges have been filed in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. Over the weekend, police in Aruba questioned this man, but only as a witness.

Paul Van Der Sloot rushed home after speaking with investigators for hours. Van Der Sloot is a judge on the island. His teenage son Joran is one of the suspects being held.

ALLY SANTOS, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: He's a very sweet boy.

LAWRENCE: Ally Santos practically grew up with Joran Van Der Sloot.

SANTOS: It's very weird that everybody seems to be thinking that he could have done something to Natalee or something, because he's usually very protective with girls. LAWRENCE: Natalee's friends haven't seen her since she left the bar three weeks ago with Van Der Sloot and two brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe. A judge decided all three could be detained another week, even though no charges have been filed against them.

Police picked up a fourth suspect Friday, a local man who worked as a deejay on this party boat. Steven Croes' boss told CNN, Croes knows one of the brothers from a local Internet cafe.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LAWRENCE: We'll be in court later this morning. According to Aruban law, prosecutors have to prove why he should be detained another eight days without actually bringing formal charges against him -- Soledad.

S. O'BRIEN: Chris Lawrence for us this morning in Aruba. Chris, thanks for the update -- Miles.

[cajungirl]

http://www.texasequusearch.org/


The Texans are on their way to Aruba. Yee Hawww. Check out the site.

[spectre]

TK, doc isn't the only one who is suggesting a polygraph.

We have been hearing from our own Detectives via TV, that they could do one for just for information, even tho it won't hold up in court.

We know Aruba doesn't consider polygraphs.

[johnb838]

That's true, and I thought the beach was most likely because "wanna go to the beach" seemed very likely. However, if we call that a red herring, an after party "wanna go for a boat ride" also seems very tempting. It still really surprises me that she would do anything without telling somebody from the group though.

[TexKat]

They talk about cowboys, I suspect they have nothing but cowboy justice because they don't have to answer to anyone.

Oh but this sheds a whole new light on Aruba. Doncha just know the Aruba powers that be could spit nails.

Even if this turns out to be sex gone wrong with only 2 individuals involve, so much more has seeped out of the darkness of Aruba into the light of the world.

[elli1]

From RiehlWorld: Local police were first notified of the situation at approximately 11:30 AM, one hour after the seniors scheduled departure from the hotel lobby. A member of the beach patrol was dispatched to take a report and collect a copy of her passport for identification purposes.

Hotel staff interacted with the chaperone, answering questions and putting forth possible explanations prior to the travel agent for the trip being contacted at approximately 2PM. That is believed to be close to the time of the departing flight, though the exact time of the flight is unconfirmed. The travel agent then contacted Natalee's family.

The parents and several high profile Birmingham business men left Birmingham around 4:30 CST on a private jet owned by one of the men, G. Ruffner Page, Jr., President of McWane Inc. - one of Alabama's s largest private companies.

Thanx for the tip. I was apparently recalling an old, erroneous report.

Maybe next, some posters will be blaming the Martians - they're about the only ones left who haven't been called to task.

Asking questions that need to be answered is not 'blaming'. My comments were framed in the context of why authorities use polygraphs to exclude parents as suspects in the disappearance of children. And regardless of how plausible the answers to the questions are, the answers are still subject to being crosschecked and double/ triple verified.

[varina davis]

I also find it strange that such a reportedly dependable young girl would choose to engage in a (nearly) all night party mode just hours before she was to leave the island.

From all accounts by her friends, she did not seem in any trouble or unhappy when she left C & C., and in fact, was smiling and waving from the car she left in.

All of her friends interviewed on TV (not surprisingly), said they were all "drinking responsibly." THAT I find hard to swallow.

[Hand em their arse]

Hello Dear....

If you get the chance, can you Ping me a few more times?? I've had to quit my FULL time job to keep up with them..... But, I still have the part time one... I figure a few more Pings and I'd need to quit that one too... That'd be great!!! :-) hehehe

Just messin' with ya!! Thanks for the updates TK!

[spectre]

I still prefer to keep my focus on Joran. As for the party boat, I don't see how the DJ would be able to sneak the boat from the harbor and handle that huge boat all by himself. Impossible.

I've got errands to run. AND I don't mean to monopolize the thread with just one theory. Anything is still possible and all avenue's should be explored.

sw

[varina davis]

Has anyone here checked into what other flights might have left Aruba between Natalee's disappearance and her homebound flight? And boat, ships, for that matter.

[cajungirl]

Teens that age stay up all night routinely. Her friends were up till 5 AM sitting around the hotel pool. It isn't particularly strange.

[cajungirl]

The boat had a security system and the owner, on tv, said nobody had the codes but him.

You could take a car up to that place where the sharks are, don't need a boat.

[elli1]

Here is the part I was recalling:

The previously mentioned DEA representative arrived at the hotel at approximately 8 PM and conversed with the chaperone which resulted in the local police receiving a call from the chaperone at approximately 9PM for an update on the Natalee Holloway situation. It has been reported to me that at that time no official report had been filed and suggested that the member of the Aruban beach patrol failed to submit any information on the case. The DEA representative provided the chaperone with contact information and left.

[stlnative]

It could be that Steve Croes is the source for a boat so they could take her body out into the ocean and throw it overboard.

[cajungirl]

I read that the Arubans thought she had gone for a fling and didn't make a report. Beth Holloway started them off soon as she hit that island. She is admirable and strong and has applied pressure.

The Arubans had done nothing when she arrived and she and friends had called the kids who were home, got info as to where Nat had been, located Jordan and gone to see him.

She is one ballsy woman.

[johnb838]

I don't think it was necessarily Tatoo, and I don't think it is necessarily Croes that points to it, though he's the link to the sea. But if she was disposed of (dead or alive) offshore, which seems likely, and there's no trace of her onshore, then it's likely she went onto a boat willingly, and anybody would like to go for a late night boat ride on a beautiful night their last night in paradise. Even if boat riding with strangers is stupid.

[blub]

If Joran took her back to his apartment & drugged her and then had to get rid of her after she overdosed, what do you think his "story" would be? First, he tried saying the 2 security guards did it but that fell through.

I wonder if he's trying to insinuate it's really a human trafficking thing, trying to blame it on the mafia? That would help explain away the lack of NH's body. (He feeds her to the fishes, but claims the mafia took her.) That would also explain that night helicopter search with infrared -- the police are hoping she's still on the island, perhaps still in Lorenzo what's-his-name's basement.

Just trying to tie all this in somehow.

[johnb838]

Everybody parties their last night in paradise. But how did they lure her away alone? That's the 64K question.

[stlnative]

He would not need a big boat, if he spends time on water then he surely knows others who have boats and maybe where to get one early in the morning without it being noticed.

Also Croes lives near the Shark feeding area and lives in Santa Cruz (F-9) and the shark area is near the Natural Bridge (C-9) which is almost a straight line up from Santa Cruz.
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

[varina davis]

I know they do, CG, but there is a difference between her friends staying up all night at the hotel pool and someone leaving the area with locals.