Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[texasbluebell]

Maybe he's a fixer, knows how to clean up sticky situations.

[spectre]

NSNR...what exactly did the father say he was doing at 3am? Has this been discussed? I missed this..

[theophilusscribe]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050617/capt.aru10106172048.aruba_missing_teen_aru101.jpg?x=380&y=248&sig=NmgptedzR.704Fwa6YS5mg--
Boaters pass by the tourist party boat 'Tattoo' off Palm Beach in Aruba, Friday, June 17, 2005. Steve Gregory Croes, 26, who works as a disc jockey on the boat became the fourth person arrested in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, nearly three weeks after her disappearance on this Dutch Caribbean island. (AP Photo/Leslie Mazoch)

[CitizenM]

In the interest of Natalee's character, I'd be curious to know if she slept around at all. While this may seem to be an insulting question, it would go far to explain her willingness to have a one night stand. I don't think she was loose.

In the interest of Natalee's character: It is still not clear whether she had a "willingness to have a one night stand." Maybe she did not, and they tried to force her into it and that is what caused this whole situation. She had no reputation for sleeping around. Many of her schoolmates have attested to her character and none discredited her. She may have fallen for Joran, like many other teens having a summer-love, that is not unusual. She may have wanted to spend some last moments with him, but sex may not have been her idea. Even if it was, that is not uncommon (unfortunately) nowadays - or even when we were growing up. IMHO even being a passionate teen thinking she was "in love" would not brand her a sleep-around type.

Poor child, whatever happened I doubt she had any awareness of possible danger. If she is no longer alive her last moments must have been horrifying. If she is stull alive, she must be terrified. I pray she is safe somewhere, anywhere and reunited with her family soon.

[Cate]

I have a question- if this Dutch teenager is found guilty, would he granted diplomatic immunity similar to some cases that have happened in the US? The thought makes my stomach sick.

[varina davis]

Even with the very outside possibility that she was a runaway, it must have been a runaway "gone wrong" at the very least.

I'm very afraid that it may turn out to be an accidental death that have all involved trying desperately to figure out ways to not become directly implicated. That said, I still hope she is alive -- somewhere.

[johnb838]

When I went to Amsterdam years ago I was told everything there was totally corrupt. I had no reason to find out, but if this is any example... and this IS a dutch situation. Why do the Netherlands have colonies anyway? I thought that business was all over and done with. Aruba can go to heck. I have no business there anyway, but they're like the French to me now.

[Krodg]

One of the first steps in an investigation involving kids is to rule out the parents as suspects.

That might make sense if she had disappeared here in the US.

[Otta B Sleepin]

during Sunday's interrogation, van der Sloot's wife, Anita van der Sloot, met with Joran in jail...

I thought Joran was in the prison now. Did they bring him back to the jail to meet with his mother?

[spectre]

That was a good post.

So I am thinking that Natalee WAS a good girl and had no intention of putting out. Which is why Joran had to get her alone in his apartment, where he had his stash of pills..The boy probably never could take the word "no" for an answer.

I don't feel Natalee is alive. They disposed of her remains in the ocean where there is no chance of recovery.

sw

[No Surrender No Retreat]

The only thing I heard was that he(father) was observed at Mc D's around 3:00AM by someone(s)(unk). The "Fruit-Buzz" attack was just satire about why he would be at Mc D's 3:00AM, the morning of Natalee's failure to appear. Like father-like son two POS. NSNR

[johnb838]

But what? Stealing a pretty underage teenager from a tour group doesn't make any sense. You steal a girl a little older who's looking for an adventure and doesn't have 30 people who aren't going to scour the place looking for her. Somebody screwed up. You also don't deal with a bunch of teenagers if you're going to steal a teenager. None of it makes sense.

[spectre]

Interesting.

Just for the FR record, I AM open to other things that may have happened to Natalee...but I can't get it out of my head that the two brothers may indeed be innocents...that they lied to cover up for their friend at the beginning and never realized in their widest immaginations that they would be suspects in a murder investigation.

sw

[johnb838]

NAtalee's Mom said last night she's never been late to anything in her life and there is no way in the world she ran away.

[johnb838]

The heat of the night. Rod Steiger. Filmed in my family's home town of Sparta, Il, I might add, though the setting is called Sparta, GA.

[rolling_stone]

The persistence of the family and the Internet is amazing, without both I imagine this incident could have been swept under the rug or left to fade away. The power of the Internet to inform and give news (and rumors) when locals are biased against informing, is fantastic.

The power to boycott and discuss the other problems on the island may help bring a conclusion to the incident and if at all possible a happy one.

Think of how bloggers nailed Dan Rather and his shoddy investigation and attempt to discredit President Bush...pressure put on CBS to end his BS...

I for one am grateful for Free Republic being here and I want to thank Jim Rob and everyone at FR once again for providing this avenue for us to participate and helping us to have a Free Republic in all parts of the world...

I think Aruba is realizing that they must solve this case or face serious repercussions...their slow shoddy start and the way they conduct their investigation is being watched by millions on the Internet.

Someone should give the family some white cowboy hats(good guys always wear white) to wear in front of the media...or President Bush could hold a short news break from his ranch wearing his hat saying we are offering FBI assistance to Aruba, would they like some Texas Rangers too?..slam that cowboy statement right back in their face..
The pen may indeed be mightier than the sword..
rs

[Woman on Caroline Street]

You're thinking of a mini-series turned into weekly serial called "V", with Mark Singer (formerly of The Beastmaster). The aliens were really lizards underneath.
I loved that show. I was in middle school at the time, and man, at lunch, it was all about "Did you see V last night, when Diana ate the mouse? Yea,,,,it was cool"

Thanks for the memories, CitizenM. I needed to get those neurons firing again! NOTE TO MY HUSBAND: DVD OF "V" for Christmas stocking stuffer.....

[johnb838]

We knew something was funny with the bug-eyed bride because the groom wasn't that upset. That's why we thought he killed her.

[doc]

The key to finding out who in part is responsible for her disappearance is a polygraph test, plain and simple.

[Doc Savage]

The end result of a hedonous society focused on blatant and perverse sexuality. Such a place draws corrupt and evil people. In such a foul place criminal behavior is the rule. You can smell the cover-up from here. Travel to this den of iniquity at your peril!