Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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[stlnative]

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[af_vet_1981]

Are you watching and listening to Natalees real father on Greta's show?

Not yet, hopefully I'll catch in on rerun later tonight

[Malichi]

Isn't Rip the poster that couldn't keep the story straight on Sunday? Was he the one who sounded like he was trying to turn this thread into an Abbott and Costello "Who's on First?" joke?
TAW

[spectre]

I have company, so I have to wrap things up..darn.

Brigette, you've done an amazing job on these threads and we appreciate it so much. High Five!

That said, it's difficult for me to get on Yahoo on my WebTV and hubby's puter is difficult :(

I don't think we should quit this thread, but will go along with the group. We CAN take care of the house-keeping..

Onyx...Have a safe trip...sw

[cherry]

wow.....every thread everywhere people are getting very, very testy......

my two cents...just from watching Greta with Mom on.....

Mom should pull back a bit...she has admitted that she thinks all Arubans know about Natalee but she still insists on going from street to street , passing out bracelets and prayer cards....she is coming across to me...as a bit too cheery and a bit too pushy...

she needs now to take into account how sick of this whole thing the Arubans are getting and now is the time for Mom to sit back and watch the rest of the investigation....

granted, it was she and her hubby and their friends that got the investigation going in the first place, but now, the word is out there...she needs to retreat to the hotel.....

JMO.....

[Howlin]

I wasn't here all day Sunday so I'm not sure......LOL.

[cajungirl]

Nite everyone! Those of you who are doing this thread, getting info, keeping it going are the ones we owe a debt to.

Good freepers are great!

[af_vet_1981]

It is getting to the point that I am about to quit posting on FR about the Natalee case.

No

Please stay.

[cajungirl]

Walk a mile in her shoes and see how you would do with your beloved daughter missing three weeks,,,then give advice. Have you ever known a mother going thru this? You think she is "too cheery", "too pushy". Good grief, where did your heart go?

Good Lord, I am outa here.

[looney tune]

bump

[Howlin]

she has admitted that she thinks all Arubans know about Natalee but she still insists on going from street to street , passing out bracelets and prayer cards....she is coming across to me...as a bit too cheery and a bit too pushy... she needs now to take into account how sick of this whole thing the Arubans are getting and now is the time for Mom to sit back and watch the rest of the investigation....

I am the mother of a dead child; she's been REMARKABLY restrained; I am in absolute awe of her.

Frankly, I don't care HOW sick they are of this story; until they PRODUCE the facts, I'd been all up in their face, too.

[Howlin]

Night, cg.

[maggief]

as a bit too cheery and a bit too pushy

Too cheery, cherry?!?

Would you be cheery if your child was missing, cherry? Not me! Pushy would have a new meaning.

[onyx]

Thanks, sw. I;ll not have a chance to be online again until late Sunday night.

[texasbluebell]

Why does it matter that N's mother didn't want to spend another significant portion of her day with people who won't tell her what she has to know?

Her time is better spent looking for Natalee, her child who is missing.

Damn appearances, I say. It's life or death.

[stlnative]

Maybe this has been posted...

Jug Twitty told Greta that the went to Joran's house about 3am (Tuesday Morning, a few hours after the AL group arrived in Aruba) with 2 policemen and plus a whole group of other people (some from the island, some from AL)

Joran's father took about 15 minutes to get to the gate to let them all in. They talked with the father for a little while and the father called Joran on his cellphone. (Joran was at a Wyndam Casino at 3am in the morning on a school night)

(I just want this on record here at FR)

I am rewatching it now and I will post more later.

[Nita Nupress]

Ah, you suspect the aruban and their mobster friends?

Naa. Mobster wanna-be's maybe. lol! Check your mail. I found something quite interesting.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

elli1, thank you for responding. I am well aware of the klintoonista connections in the afore mentioned cases. What could one really expect when you have Janet Reno in charge of the justice department.

Much of your repsponse holds merit as to WACO, Ruby Ridge, OKC bombing, File gate, Travelgate, Fostergate and to include the Ramsey case. During the klintoon Admin (eight years during the reign of terror. Agents either went along at the FBI or they got gone.

With Louie the Spineless, at the helm, buffaloed by Butch Reno he caved, and his agency failed to do their job. I will agree with you.

Ruby Ridge, Bush Sr, failed by allowing FBI sniper Lon Houruchi not to be charged and sentenced for murdering and unarmed mother with a child in her arms.

These thing I will agree with you on as to cover-up, F-up or whatever they should be construed.

We all know the FBI was allegedly invited and they have far better expertise than any other countries law enforcement agencies. The aruban authorities are either too stupid or wish this case to drag on with little or no success.

I sense you have some contempt for American Law Enforcement which maybe some might be merited. You do not know what the arubans are doing right in conducting this investigation. You are also speculating that everything is everything.

My question to you are you now or have ever been involved in conducting a criminal investigation? What is your experience in this field? Please do not view this as sarcasm, just curious.

Well I do have the experience, and so far this investigation has been F-upped from day one. You may disagree, which is your right. Those numbers just don't add up for me, but maybe they do for you.

There is an old saying from years back which I think you should apply to Aruba on your view of this investigation.

It goes like this," Don't Piss Down My Neck and Then Tell Me It's Raining." NSNR

[Pepper777]

I'm awe of Natalee's Mom too. So sorry to hear of the loss of your child. I can't even begin to imagine how horrible that pain must be for you.

[maggief]

You've got to get one of those ignore buttons, cgirl. I'm putting in an order for you, sterling silver model.

Take care.

[texasbluebell]

FWIW, I think we owe it to Natalee and her family to stay as public as we can with this discussion. A Yahoo group will not contribute very much toward keeping pressure on the Aruban Barney Fifes. On the other hand, there are probably some Mayberry officials who wish that's exactly where you and the others will go. Please stay.

Bump!