Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

I guess the "bitch" didn't want to listen AGAIN to this WHINING about how Joran does not have this or that.

Maggie, you and I are in agreement.

The hatefulness of some people takes my breath away.

Van Der Sloot Mom on Greta now. She has one of those annoying voices that ends every sentence with a question mark.

Really? I'll go peek... Well, if he is "connected" then the mob would want this case to disappear FAST. They wouldn't have patience for punk kids who call attention to the goings on over there...They'll presssure the cops to wrap it up.

JVS's mother's heart is broken. This is painful to watch.

sw

He appears to be the ONLY one on Aruba who feels free to express his opinion.

I have noticed that too. Must be his 'connections'! LOL

I think you are on the wrong thread. Hit the back button. Hope that helps.

Maybe you should take your own advise. You are not making any friends here by calling Natalee's mother a "bitch".

I cannot begin to imagine what is fueling Nat's Mother. She is going on sheer adrenalin, the dark circles under her eyes, the criticism of the Aruban authorities who want her to be passive while they diddle.

But I will not for one more minute be silent at the nasty snide things people say about her, the implications about Natalee, the picking apart of teenagers who were on a trip.

I am sick to death, sick to death of the tone of some posts.

Maybe they "bugged" the cell??? Ya think?

That would mean someone wanted to solve this case. But, I hope your are right. :)

I too am worried about terror states setting off bombs in our country. What do you suggest I do about it? Do you have a plan of action or are you just going to fret about it? I'm all ears.

As time approached Natalee's mom told Greta she couldn't make the appointment with the Sloots. Odd considering that she presed them so hard for this appointment and ACCESS the day before.

If I heard it correctly Natalee's mom couldn't make the appointment because she had another important meeting to attend

Natalee's mother is in a hell none of us can truly imagine. She has my total admiration and sympathy. She is a strong and brave woman.

I dumbfounded. Calling Natalee's mom a bitch? Through all of this I'm amazed at her gracious tenacity.

Now, me ... I'd have shot the SOB by now.

Colmes looks like death warmed over, or an aids victim. NSNR

A woman who asserts herself is automatically a b*tch, huh?

Looks like your true colors are now showing.

sorry, newbie, ya' just lost me.

Breaks my heart. Not!

Just a guess here, but I think maybe you should apologize for the "bitch" word..

sw

It's not just the "bitch" word. This poster has been making odd ball comments all day long today. The "bitch" word just caught everyones attention or people are finally fed up with Rippersnapper. I know I am.

Then why didn't she cancel in a timely manner? Why didn't she even tell Greta til the last minute? That wasn't even fair to Greta. Like I said, time will tell if her other appointment was a better use of her time. I think the other appointment was 'to conrinue her search', which yes is a better use of her time, BUT that means she deliberately forced an appointment on the Sloots just to break it. JMO

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba
Tom Blickman - TNI Researcher
Transnational Organized Crime Vol. 3, No.

A Smugglers' Paradise

Aruban Connections

Five members of the Aruban Mansur Family, viz. Mr. Elias F. Mansur, Mrs. Damia M. de Cuba-Mansur, Mr. Luis E. Mansur, Mr. Miguel J. Mansur and Mrs. Sarah E. Arends-Mansur, have raised objections against general references in the following chapter to the Mansurs or the Mansur family. In their opinion these references may be understood as including them and thereby implicating them in alleged wrongdoing they have never committed.
The author is of the opinion that such references to a large family will not be misunderstood as including each and every member of the family. However, in case this opinion should prove incorrect, the author points out that he regrets such misunderstanding and that he did not intend said references to implicate all members of the family.

The Cuntrera-Caruana clan had links with another Aruban bank: the Interbank. The bank granted a credit to the Cuntrera company "Investeringen Tweehonderd en Tien" for 1.8 million Aruban guilders (approximately one million dollars). Why the Cuntreras who own several investment companies in Venezuela needed the loan is unknown.

One could speculate, however, this was a 'loan-back' operation to launder money. An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back: now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings. But there is no proof, no one ever looked really into the relations of the bank with the Sicilian mafiosi. The letter of credit was issued before the mafia connections of the clan became officially known on the island. This did not stop the bank from keeping the Cuntreras as clients. During Operation Wiseguy the undercover DEA agents were asked to wire money for a shipment of hashish on the account of Alfonso Cuntrera at the Interbank.

The Interbank is owned by the Mansur Family. If anybody owns 60 per cent of the island, it is this powerful family. The Mansurs made their fortune as cigarette manufacturers and in the import-export business. With a licence of Philip Morris, they are the major suppliers of Marlboros in the Caribbean basin. The Mansurs sponsor the best baseball team – Aruba's national sport – the Marlboro Red Tigers as well as the AVP party of Prime Minister Henny Eman. They own the biggest hotel and time-sharing complex, La Cabana, with its inevitable casino. And they have a couple of import-export businesses in the Free Trade Zone.

Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, "Diario". ""When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government","says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, ""their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”."""Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering ""has become a political tool to discredit them”." (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family's mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias 'Don' Mansur is the family's whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman's first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials. (76)

More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur's when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe's home on Aruba.
Lopessierra

"Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra Gutierrez, also known as the Marlboro Man

DEA announces arrest of ex-Colombian Senator Samuel Santander Lopesierra, DEA Press Release, October 9, 2002
Así cayó Santa, el ‘Hombre Marlboro', El Espectador (Colombia), October 13, 2002

"Read more about Lopesierra in the Colombian magazine Semana (in Spanish):

El Hombre Marlboro, Semana, April 18, 1994

El fantasma de la Monita, Semana, March 31, 1997

Las maletas de Martelo Semana, October 5, 1998

See also: Big Tobacco - Uncovering The Industry's Multibillion-Dollar Global Smuggling Network
The Nation, May 6, 2002
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In Venezuela the Mansurs are implicated in money laundering with Santa Lopesierra, the Marlboro Man. Every month Santa 're-invests' 20 million dollar ""with the help of a well-known entrepreneur called Mansur”""." (78) Lopesierra is accused to have financed his election with the proceeds of drug trafficking and a car-theft ring. He is also reputed to be the man behind the Puerto Rico indictment. The activities of Mansur and Lopesierra, however, go well beyond this. They are accused of illegally funding the presidential campaign of Colombian president Ernesto Samper in 1994. Not only did Samper allegedly receive 6 million dollars from the Cali Cartel – an accusation he vehemently denies and ascribes to political machinations – it is said he also pocketed US$ 500,000 in cash offered by ""a group from Philip Morris and Interbank”." (79)

The 'Philip Morris people' are Alex and Eric Mansur and a member of the Lopesierra Family (Santa Lopesierra belongs to the Samper faction in the Liberal Party). Samper tried to ease out of meeting the group, the story goes. He suggested that one of his campaign officials should pick up the cash and bring them to the office later for coffee. ""No one gives that kind of money just for coffee. That's worth at least a breakfast"," the campaign official replied.

The Mansur Family seems to have all the right connections in its corner of the Caribbean. Some Mansur's still have Venezuelan nationality, and they have interests in Maracaibo and Caracas, as well as in Punto Fijo and Coro, where the originally Lebanese Mansur Family had settled before moving to Aruba. Punto Fijo is situated on the Paraguaná peninsula in the North at the Golfo de Venezuela, which separates it from La Guajira. A ferry connects Punto Fijo to Aruba. Some 20 years ago, in 1974, a few Sicilians set up a fishing company in Punto Fijo called "Mediterranea Pesca". Among the shareholders: Leonardo and Giuseppe Caruana and Giuseppe Cuffaro. The company owned a sea-going vessel and Italian police suspected that ""in view of the background of the owners it is probably a cover for drug trafficking”." (80)

Maybe the Mansurs and the Cuntrera-Caruana clan first met each other in this remote part of the world. Nobody knows. (81) But they certainly have met on Aruba, according to several insiders and law enforcement officers. Venezuelan police-officer Guillermo Jiménez states: ""I know they are connected. I have sent files about bank transactions between the Mansur's and the Cuntrera's to Aruba. But documents about the Mansur's are kept secret over there"." DEA-officer David Lorino is equally convinced and has connected the Cuntreras with Ruben Mansur. In his judgement, ""Ruben Mansur is a major-league dope-peddler”." The DEA has the toll-records of the Cuntrera phones in Caracas. ""They phoned Mansur's trading company and his place. They certainly talked to each other"." What they said, Lorino doesn't know, since it is not permitted to tap phones in Venezuela.