Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[elli1]

I'd think that if Holiday Inn had any security cameras, the first places the cameras would be located would be in the driveway & lobby areas. Also, security cameras can be quite small & unobtrusive...not readily apparent, which would be a factor in decor & also in creating a 'friendly' space--which would be important for a hotel lobby.

[elli1]

No, I don't think it has been posted before. I found it a couple of days ago--Tattoo 'dinner cruises' on Wednesday & Friday nights. What I couldn't determine is whether or not the Tattoo sails on other nights & operates as a floating nightclub sans dinner. Hopefully someone who has been there will clarify that point.

[maggief]

Here are pics of the HI and a virtual tour of the lobby. (Though, IMHO, she was never there that night.)

http://www.ichotelsgroup.com/h/d/hi/1/en/hpt/AUAAN/2/pt?ptLink=hd

[sarasota]

I'm glad I didn't stay up to watch Greta. Did see N's mom this morning on Fox and she looked a lot better, so the visit to J's parents was a good thing for her. Get some rest Tex. You deserve it.

[sarasota]

Did you see the shot of Paulus in the bushes at the beginning of the video? N's mom was calling out to him and eventually he came out.

[Quilla]

Good morning everyone. Thanks for keeping this thread going and providing so much information, speculation, and valuable commentary.

I caught Beth Twitty's appearance on Fox & Friends this morning and one thing she said has really stuck with me. She was discussing her 90 minute visit with Joran's parents but did not really give any specifics. It seemed that the goal of the visit was fact finding - she wants information. I don't remember the phrase she said verbatim; but, she referred to the cause of Natalee's disappearance as a kidnapping.

I know as a mother I would be thinking along the same lines; however, for her to put it this way (considering she it privy to much we don't know) still gives me hope. I'm praying for Natalee's safe return.

[sarasota]

I though I heard the mom or the interviewer refer to a "murder or kidnapping". Was I hearing things?

[pnz1]

IMO, Alan Colmes doesn't look well.

[Quilla]

I don't recall the word murder being used once. Imagine interviewing the mother of a missing child - it is such a sensitive and heart wrenching subject. The interviewer might naturally avoid saying "murder, death, killed" or anything along those lines considering the number of unknowns in this case. Of course, I may have missed it, but maybe others who watched it will chime in.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

TexKat, you and Brigette and some others have really been on top in the developments of this case. The latest I heard on Fox last night was that the FBI was not allowed inside the Van der Soup's house, during the search/alleged evidence gathering.

In my experience, this is a red flag as to the conduct of this entire investigation. If the Aruban authorities or the Dutch politicos want to avoid the issue of impropriety in conducting this investigation, then the FBI should have been allowed inside. The FBI could have observed the gathering evidence and dispel or verify myths of evidence gathering, handling/mishandling.

This whole case has been a boon-doggle since conception. I also noticed that Momma VDS, was allegedly out of town during this incident. I hope they check all her travel vouchers, tickets, modes of tranportation and person(s) of contact during her convenient alibi.

I can see VDS senior has develped his alibi that he picked up VDS jr at McD's, and brought him home around 11:00PM. Funny then VDS jr., fleds from home to go gambling at C&C's. They are all lying and like father, mother and son. The aruban officials must really be working over-time in helping the VDS's develop sound alibis in this case.

I watched on Fox last night as this extremely attractive female lawyer(aruban) was interviewed by Hannity. I could see the anger in her facial expressions as Mark Furhman/Sean clearly exposed the ineptness, incompetence,collusion and ass backwardness of this Aruban CYA circus.

I think all Americans who plan on vacationing to Aruba should cancel their trip. We need to do this in support of Natalee and her family. This could have happened to any one of our families. If we stand together, a difference can be made. The concept of me, myself and I should be rejected. It is time to stop putting our tourism dollars into an ungrateful, corrupt and disgraceful island so called Utopia.

Hitting an island in the pocket-book is a good way to open their eyes to what justice is all about. We as Americans should see this battle through and justice not corruption prevail. Natalee needs to be found and brought home and the criminal agents punished a thousandfold.

In closing, American/Other Country Freepers, let's do this one for Natalee, "for she would do it for us." Let's Insure Justice Prevails and Let No One Be Above The Law." NSNR

[maggief]

True, it could sail twice a week and stay moored for dinner, drinks, etc., the other nights of the week.

Lot's of pics here, (notice the pic "The Crew" ... the captain is the only one wearing the white shirt ... I posted a pic of Steve earlier wearing a white shirt onboard.)

http://tattoopartycruises.com/pages/photoalbum.html

And this, which appears to be from the Tattoo guest book, which has been pulled.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/browse_thread/thread/6905e530455dbe26/f5fc825d2652ef41?q=tattoo+aruba+%22+Someone+please+tell+me+about+Steve!+He+drives+the+Tattoo+mostly.%22&rnum=1&hl=en#f5fc825d2652ef41

http://www.cloakurl.com/bn8e
From: Dawn
Date: 10:09:29 12/27/2004
Subject: Aruba Adventures (general)

I have been to Aruba twice now and it is the greatest place in the
world. Unbelievable how happy everyone is!! The Tattoo, Mi Dushi and
Kukoo Kunuku are the three things I have done on both trips and will do
again in a heart beat! Hello to Jesus and Big Daddy! Great people.
Someone please tell me about Steve! He drives the Tattoo mostly. What
an extremely attractive and shy man. Sure wish I could get to know you
better!

[maggief]

Tattoo water taxi

[elli1]

Thanks for the photo link. Don't see any cameras but that does not mean that there aren't any there. Hotel/ motels wouldn't want to send the 'Caught on tape' message so I'd think they would opt for unobtrusive monitoring systems.

[elli1]

The latest I heard on Fox last night was that the FBI was not allowed inside the Van der Soup's house, during the search/alleged evidence gathering.

Is that not to be expected? Imagine if a Russian citizen went missing in the US and the KGB looming to 'investigate'.

[maggief]

bbl

[Rippersnapper]

Lot's of pics here, (notice the pic "The Crew" ... the captain is the only one wearing the white shirt ... I posted a pic of Steve earlier wearing a white shirt onboard.)

The DJ is probably not a permanent member of the THE CREW. Thye may hire different DJ's now and then. As such, the DJ may be free to wear whatever they choose.

[Rippersnapper]

Do you still have that picture of Croes in the white shirt?

[maggief]

I just looked for it and can't find it. I'll have to look again later ... it's on this thread or the earlier one.

[elli1]

notice the pic "The Crew" ... the captain is the only one wearing the white shirt ... I posted a pic of Steve earlier wearing a white shirt onboard...

I don't think that the white shirt is significant other than being code for 'I'm not waitstaff and I don't fix toilets.'

Someone named 'Steve' may have been the captain of the Tattoo back when Dawn went out on the Tattoo or Dawn may have been confused after imbibing in the $1, $2 & $3 dollar bars? Or, 'Steve' may be a captain for one of the other two boats affiliated w/ Tattoo & was filling in for the day...or a standby captain?

Do I think that Steve took the Tattoo out for a clandestine mission? No. Do I think that Steve is capable of operating a boat? Probably. And probably, when ya' think about it, so can about 95% of the permanent residents of the island of Aruba. Heck, even I can drive a boat, regardless of what my husband thinks on the matter. (We fish.)

[Rippersnapper]

Not a biggy. Do you recall if it was the same cruise ship or could he have been working for a different one at the time the picture was taken? Also, could it have been an older shot and maybe since it was taken, could the owner have implemented rules on attire. Do you recall if everyone else in the picture had on the Tattoo t-shirts or did they seem to be wearing what they wanted?