Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[af_vet_1981]

What struck me was his saying Nat wanted to see sharks

Yes, that really stood out and shouted at me too.

[maggief]

It is dark. It is 1:30 am yet Natalee supposedly says 'she wanted to see sharks'. Yeah right.

That was my first thought too.

[Rippersnapper]

Sunday (During the day) Natalee and Joran are at the HI casino, Natalee asks Joran to win some of her money back. He won a $100.00 dollars back for her and she offered to buy him a drink. They have a drink and she tells Joran that this is her last night in Aruba and that she will be at Charlie's & Carlo's Bar later that evening. (Deepak was not there so this must be what Joran told him)

During the day or during the evening? Remember, she had gone snorkeling during the day.

[maggief]

I hope the freeper joins us. (Welcome to FR, smew.)

Thanks, Howlin.

[Rippersnapper]

He goes home with Dad. Deepak is at home take a bath and fixing something.

Yeah. What is he fixing? He mentions it, but doesn't tell us. Fixing up a new batch of drug to put into her drink?

Then we have Daddy possibly picking up Joran at 3 am Monday Morning at McD's. This would give Joran and the other 2 almost 3 hours to do whatever they did with her. Very odd that Joran's dad would pick him up at 3am at McD's after Joran snuck out. So Daddy has to know something. Joran would not send Deepak home, not if Joran snuck out of the house. He would need a ride home so he could sneek back in without Daddy knowing he was out roaming around. Daddy Sloot is calm and tells all the boys not worry after all the boys have been called in for questioning. daddy cannot remember if he worked or not Monday.

Ok. I'm with ya, was wondering the same thing. What happened to the brothers? Sloot is forced to call daddy? OR why didn't he call his friends up to come back and help him? Because they wsanted no part of something? His father won't make much of a judge if he can't even remember if his kid was hom to go to school on a given day when he is supposed to be in charge as the mother is out of town!

[maggief]

I find this comment very strange:

(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby)

[looney tune]

LOL! I once was stopped by the police and had to open my trunk to get my purse (can't remember why it was in the trunk). I had a shovel and a bag of cement in there! The officer really perked up and was asking me about the stuff in my trunk. I think he thought he was on a routine traffic stop & hit the jackpot.

[Rippersnapper]

I meant to bring up that 6:30 phone call too. Wasn't the call made FROM that area, not necessarily TO that area?

If the father goes to McDonald's at 3 am. that leaves 3 and a half hours before the phone call at 6:30.

Doesn't take that long to drive over and toss a body to the sharks. Can you dig a grave in 3 and a half hours? Something else. What time does it start getting light on the island? by 6:30 am it is probably already quite light.

3 and a half hurs is plenty of time to use a boat and take Natalee to Venezuela. Just had to mention that. Maybe they have the DJ do that and when he gets back he calls them (around 6:30).

[Rippersnapper]

Jug Titty

Freudian slip? LMAO

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Aruban officials trying to maintain a pristine image of their so called island paradise. Maybe something will get done now, instead of this pick&choose search methodolgy. NSNR

[elli1]

I had a shovel and a bag of cement...

At first, I thought you must live in Wisconin & had purchased an after-market 'Winter Driver Kit' from Home Depot. Then I checked and saw that you live in New Jersey. What I want to know now is: What really happened to Jimmy Hoffa? ;)

[Rippersnapper]

That shark business is wseird! It was dark. Sou wouldn't be able to see them anyway. Pure BS in my opinion. So, yeah, why did he mention/invent it?

[cajungirl]

Why did he say it?

Some say people with guilty consciences let the truth out in a disguised way. Unconscious guilt.

Or, he was preparing us for bones and clothing to surface near the shark feeding place,,just in case.

Or maybe by design he let this out, sort of a hint.

[elli1]

What time does it start getting light on the island? by 6:30 am it is probably already quite light.

Aruba sunrise: 6:16 AM. Aruba sunset: 7:07 PM. (The closer to the Equator, the less seasonal variation in hours of daylight/ darkness. According to what I've read, the sun doesn't 'gradually' rise & set like most of us in higher latitudes are used to, but that it literally pops up and pops down).

[Rippersnapper]

(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby)

Yep, already making excuses for her not being seen being brought back.

Can it be confirmed if they do or do not have security cameras?

[maggief]

It's my understanding that most cabs look like regular cars.

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The Tattoo was not out Sunday night, unless it was booked for a private charter. Has this been mentioned before?

http://www.arubaadventures.com/tattoo/

Wednesdays It's Ladies Night
(all ladies get 2 free drinks)

Fridays - Live Entertainment
8.00 p.m. - 12.00 a.m.

Make reservations online -

Tattoo - Wild on Tattoo - US$39pp (Wed & Fri only)

PRIVATE CHARTERS AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST

[Rippersnapper]

Or, he was preparing us for bones and clothing to surface near the shark feeding place,,just in case.

The problem though is that he never mentions any of them getting out of the car to 'look at the sharks'. Instead he has them driving back to drop her off because she is sleeping in the car.

Is she sleeping or is she dead?

[Rippersnapper]

According to what I've read, the sun doesn't 'gradually' rise & set like most of us in higher latitudes are used to, but that it literally pops up and pops down).

That must be weird! So, ok, it is dayight at 6:30. Thanks. :)

[maggief]

Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's return. In addition, a Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift the day the young woman disappeared said he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard's testimony to police.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html

[Rippersnapper]

Thanks you! I thought we had reprots about the HI cameras not recording her return. So he LIED about that, TOO!