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(V) Is Hutchinson Insurance Against Hillary?
06-19-2005 | Tall_Texan

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:13:28 PM PDT by Tall_Texan

Some dominoes of Texas politics fell into place in the last few days or, more correctly, did not fall out of place as many thought they might.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson chose not to run against incumbent governor Rick Perry next year. She will instead run to keep her seat as a Republican in the U.S. Senate, a race she will almost certainly win. One of the reasons given is that Hutchinson is reaching a point of seniority and leadership in the Senate where she may be able to help Texas achieve some legislative perks.

I think there is another reason she decided (or was persuaded) to remain in the Senate. I think there's a chance she will be on the 2008 ticket if a few other things happen.

While Hutchinson is not an ideal Senator by conservative standards, she doesn't stick her neck out far from the party very often. She's a coalition type of politician, one who doesn't prefer to bludgeon her opponents with rhetoric but maintains a civil and reasonable tone. Her voting record is often more conservative than her speech. Her lifetime ACU voting score is 91, although she has scored an 84 in 2004 and a 75 in 2003.

In one sense, she embodies what irritates many conservatives about Republican senators, rarely criticizing or admonishing the excesses of Democrat tactics and rhetoric, choosing to make and keep friends on both sides of the aisle. She is proud of what she considers the "women's caucus" in the Senate made up of members on both sides.

In short, here is someone who comes across well, is not easy to demonize and cannot be easily pigeonholed as a rubber stamp, an extremist or an ideologue. These are reasons I think she has viability as a 2008 running mate.

This early in the race, it would be hard to predict who will be the Democrat nominee but the assumed frontrunner at this point is another member of Hutchinson's womens club, Hillary Rodham Clinton. No doubt many in the GOP do not want to see Mrs. Clinton going up against whoever comes out of the Republican convention with the nomination. They know the media will be solidly in her corner and believe she will return to the bloodsport days of stolen FBI files, secret committees and plans to convert us to one nationalwide government health care.

Should Mrs. Clinton win the nomination and the Republicans nominate a male, the GOP may crave a woman to "balance" the ticket and blunt some of the hysteria over a woman being at the top of the Democrat ticket.

Before going into where Sen. Hutchinson fits in, let's look at what other women might be called instead:

* Sec. Condoleezza Rice. The current Secretary of State and darling of some conservative groups, the biggest liability for Ms. Rice is that she has never run for political office. She would be a complete blank slate with regards to some political issues (particularly social ones). Being the first of her race on a major party ticket would steal some of the thunder from Hillary being the first of her gender to lead a major party ticket but could also lead to claims of "pandering" if she doesn't come across as a credible candidate. As John Edwards' recent campaign illustrated, a vice presidential nominee has to be able to assert themselves yet not upstage the top of the ticket. Any gaffe no matter how small will be blown out of proportion and the liberal attack machines will be in full force. We simply don't know how well Ms. Rice would hold up to this.

* Sen. Elizabeth Dole. There has not been a national Republican ticket in over 30 years that did not have a Bush or a Dole on it and, at first blush, some might think "Liddy" would be a more natural choice than Hutchinson. There are similar appeals. Dole is also something of a moderate Republican from a southern state. The major differences are tactical. While Mrs. Dole has the experience of her husband's campaigns, her term as Senator would be up for re-election in 2008 and the Governor's office is presently controlled by a Democrat, meaning that Republicans could lose that seat in more than one scenario should Sen. Dole be nominated for vice president.

* Gov. Linda Lingle. The Hawaii governor broke through in an impressive way to win in a state that votes heavily for Democrats. That shows promise but will Hawaiian values translate well to the heartland and will her presence on the ticket create a vacuum for GOP prospects in Hawaii?

* Sen's Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins. The pair of Maine senators would likely be considered too liberal for the party faithful, particularly after taking part in such party-angering exercises as the joining "the McCain Compromise" regarding Senate filibusters.

* Laura Bush or Lynne Cheney. While each has their fans both would likely be thought of as place holders for their more famous spouses. It would be charged that the women were figureheads for the husbands who are no longer able to run for the job.

There are probably a few other names that I have left out but these are the top women in the Republican Party who might be able to fill the 2008 ticket.

Mrs. Hutchinson has some qualities that might make her the most ideal woman the GOP has on their bench. A former cheerleader, she is not unattractive. She is not the spouse of a politician. She has waged and won three statewide campaigns in Texas and will win a fourth in 2006 now that she plans to seek re-election. She has survived a legal dogfight against Travis County (TX) District Attorney Ronnie Earle over alleged mishandling of funds while State Comptroller back in the 1990s so she knows how to stand up for herself. Her Senate seat will be safe if she is called upon yet loses a vice presidential bid until 2012. The Governor's office is presently in Republican hands and will likely stay that way so the GOP will probably retain that Senate seat were she to get the VP nomination and win. Her Senate record will likely be picked apart but it will be hard to find anything that stands out as so exclusionable that either party could use it to vilify her.

Whether Hutchinson has the desire or ambition for a national campaign would remain to be seen. She would be age 65 in 2008. I do believe, however, that she could be seen as "Hillary insurance" for a male GOP presidential nominee in 2008, particularly a northern candidate like Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney or Tim Pawlenty.

Some things would need to happen for this to come about but they are fairly easily reached. If the GOP nominee is male. If the Democrat nominee is Mrs. Clinton. If Hutchinson retains her Senate seat in 2006. If the Republicans keep the Governor's mansion in 2006. Should any of those four things fail to happen, Hutchinson would not be a likely option. If all four happen though, I see it as a distinct posibility.

Sen. Hutchinson represents a relatively safe option to balance a ticket and blunt some of the buzz over a Clinton candidacy. She's a veteran campaigner from a safe state who establishment Republicans can certainly get behind.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2008ticket; gop; hillary; hutchinson; kaybaileyhutchinson; ussenate; vicepresident; visforvanity
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To: David
look up the Libertarian or Constitutional party

I just so happen to already be a member of the Constitution Party.

81 posted on 06/21/2005 3:49:59 AM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: David
but I don't talk to a single person who would vote for George today.

You don't get out much do you?

If you had to chose between a broken arm or a severed arm which would it be. I find your logic intriguing so please answer.
82 posted on 06/21/2005 5:15:06 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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To: David

"...Ms. Rice is another weak opportunist; Pro-Abortion, anti-Bible, moderate with no obvious commitment to limited Constitutional government... ."


Are you serious?


83 posted on 06/21/2005 7:19:23 AM PDT by peacebaby (We can't become what we need to be by remaining what we are. Oprah Winfrey)
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To: David
if faced with a choice between a liberal Republican ticket

2% of the base wil vote for Clinton in protest. 2% of the base will vote for a 3d party candidate in protest. 50% of the base will stay home. The GOP candidates for Senate, Congress and local offices will be the losers. The last election proved that turnout is important.

84 posted on 06/21/2005 10:52:06 AM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: NormalGuy
"2% of the base wil vote for Clinton in protest. 2% of the base will vote for a 3d party candidate in protest. 50% of the base will stay home. The GOP candidates for Senate, Congress and local offices will be the losers. The last election proved that turnout is important."

I think if you get a real 3d party candidate who has a pro-constitution free enterprise program, GOP candidates will endorse him and if anything, you will get a positive impact on the legislative races.

The good news is that the only kind of third party candidate who is likely to have an impact would be a serious well funded person with a strong national agenda that has broad appeal.

I don't think that is very difficult to do--the borders are clearly an opportunity issue; so is the budget. The American people clearly recognize that it was not white little old ladies that ran airplanes into the WTC towers on September 11--a clear understandable definition of the enemy and a policy to defend America is another opportunity issue.

The two parties do not want to address any of these issues directly. We have reached the point where there are a number of issues the mainstream parties won't talk about because the parties are in agreement and the American people are on the other side. So there is a real opportunity for a third party candidate.

I don't see a Republican candidate who is able to take any of these issues to the people.

On the other hand, most of the posters here have their heads in the sand--Mrs. Clinton is ahead because she is taking positions on national issues that more than 50% of the voters agree with. So when you line her up against wets like Ms. Rice or the lady about whom this topic got started, Sen. Hutchinson, Mrs. Clinton is going to win going away.

85 posted on 06/21/2005 5:15:36 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
I think if you get a real 3d party candidate who has a pro-constitution free enterprise program, GOP candidates will endorse him and if anything, you will get a positive impact on the legislative races.

I'm 62. I voted 3d party every time except 2 GOP guys for Pres. I worked hard for most 3d party candidates. Last time out, the LP purposely chose the weakest of its 3 options. The Constitution Party chose a weak option. If they wanted to win, those 2 parties would merge. But both are controlled by masochists. (If the Constitution Party is pro-life, why do its members commit suicide? If Alan Keyes is pro-life, why did he commit suicide in Illinois?)

We have reached the point where there are a number of issues the mainstream parties won't talk about because the parties are in agreement and the American people are on the other side.

The major parties avoid many issues, not because they agree... but because they are afraid of those third rails. Seniors who have been Republican all their lives and won't be affected by SS change turn on Bush because he touches the 3d rail of Social Security.

Immigration is such a 3d rail. Many of us far right Republicans including libertarians like me, and social conservatives, and evangelilcal abolitionist Republicans are pro-immigration. Others on the right are anti (illegal) immigration. The Dem party is also divided on the issue.

In neither party are the divisions liberal-conservative. They have a unique dynamic. Lies and irrational logic are prevalent among the high profile spokespeople on both sides of immigration. Most politicians see no way to win on that issue. To take one side or the other associates them with the lies and irrationality that will destroy them.

86 posted on 06/22/2005 5:49:11 AM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: NormalGuy
"Immigration is such a 3d rail. Many of us far right Republicans including libertarians like me, and social conservatives, and evangelilcal abolitionist Republicans are pro-immigration. Others on the right are anti (illegal) immigration. The Dem party is also divided on the issue. In neither party are the divisions liberal-conservative. They have a unique dynamic. Lies and irrational logic are prevalent among the high profile spokespeople on both sides of immigration. Most politicians see no way to win on that issue. To take one side or the other associates them with the lies and irrationality that will destroy them."

You may have an unusual point of view on the subject of immigration--and to be fair, the subject is not immigration, it is border control.

An overwhelming majority of the American people poll firmly on the position that we should close the borders--and kick illegals out; control non-citizens who live here for more than a week or two. Certainly not let them vote or burden the rest of us with health care and public service expenses with no contribution to the cost.

From Mrs. Clinton's point of view that is not an unmitigated positive even though she has a poll structured position in line with the majority--because Conservatives are more likely to be on this position than liberals.

The point of this discussion as far as Mrs. Clinton is concerned is that she is rapidly appropriating the mainstream Conservative position on a number of these issues. What she would do if elected is a legitimate question. But she has effectively transformed her public political agenda into the middle of the road with several dips into clear Conservative positions that have great political appeal.

I don't like her any better than the rest of you. But at least at this point, the Republican candidate universe consists of a bunch of wets. Mrs. Clinton is going to get more votes than any of the wets.

87 posted on 06/22/2005 8:50:16 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: David
Why does the moderator pull some "border control" threads? Because he sees it as outside of "mainstream" conservative thought? I disagree with him in pulling the threads. But it does support the fact that "border control" sentiment is not as strong as you would think.

My sense of Illinois (city, burbs, downstate) is that if you asked Republicans open ended questions:
In choosing a presidential candiate, what are your top 3 conerns?
10% of Republicans side with you on "border control".
25% of Republicans are strongly pro-immigration like me.
65% of Republicans are focused on other issues and immigration is way down their list.

Corruption is by far the #1 issue... but that may be unique to Illinois.
Education is perpetually a top issue .... although nobody agrees on the solution.
Life, Gays, Guns, War on terrorism, taxes, over-regulation would place high.

There are several types of pro-immigrant Republicans.
Libertarians like Eric Dondero and me.
Compassionate conservatives like the GOP leader in my Schaumburg Twp suburb St Rep Paul Froehlich.
Abolitionist Republicans who overlap compassionate conservatives but also include some non-conservatives and some who are dogmatic and not compassionate.
Mercantilists (in the Adam Smith sense) who are motivated by cheap labor for business.
Karl Rove wannabes who think it is part of a play for the Hispanic vote.

88 posted on 06/22/2005 10:06:56 AM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: NormalGuy
Almost two thousand miles distant from where you live, the guy who lives next door is from a Chicago suberb in Schaumburg Twp.

The point about pulled threads is interesting--I didn't know they were doing that. The national polls do not support your view--the easiest hot button to hit is border control.

Among other things, I think most real conservatives who have thought about the issues ought to come down to a form of modified isolationism--if we can get back to the free enterprise system; limit government interference in daily life and restore constitutional limitations on the federal government; and get the education system working; all without interference from either enemies making war on us or from international organizations that want to dictate how we should live, the country will be fine--we will be able to buy all the energy we need in the open marketplace. If we don't, the country will not survive in its present form.

Among other things, we have trouble doing that with the burden of the illegals.

I doubt that the usual poll respondent thinks it through that far but there is widespread recognition that there is an enormous burden to the illegals; and significant national security risk. So it is a hot button issue.

If Tancredo were better qualified, he would win the nomination on that platform--he might win it even with limited capabilities to act as President.

On an intellectual analysis basis, it should be noted that in the next month or so, the birth rate in Mexico drops below the replacement rate. So an end is in sight and probably fairly quickly. The politicians are not sophisticated enough to understand the ultimate end game if the rules do not change. So the politics of the issue are easy to access for both Tancredo and Mrs. Clinton.

The Robinsons are fine, committed Constitutional government Americans. I am unsure whether they believe the Republican party is the only way or even a possible way to achieve restoration of the Republic--it would be good if the Republicans could find another Ronald Reagan but I don't see one on the horizon and for the most part, most of the serious candidates I do see are wets. I am going to vote against all wet Republican candidates in the future--I am not alone.

89 posted on 06/22/2005 4:23:54 PM PDT by David (...)
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