Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

 

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;TexKat;theophilusscribe

 

[texasbluebell]

Certainly true, dragged into it by him.

[texasbluebell]

Holy cow, cg, it just gets worse and worse.

[texasbluebell]

Yes, first name Jossy. I see other posters have remembered him as well.

[texasbluebell]

John Grisham should do it. Or Tom clancy. It is a book.

Yes, it definitely is a book. But I think the author of such a book would find some sort of Sicilian fatwah had been issued on him.

[TexKat]

From SM:

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:21 pm

Post subject: Marten

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I too noted this man on virtually every web-site in Joran's original Tickle page (before it was altered) This man, has responded to, and has responses from +many+ young females, practically all (the females) were also on Joran's blog before he altered it. Same thing w/ the females on Joran's brother's (Valentjin) Tickle acct. Valentjin had been visiting the Tickle site every day until recently when he removed his JPG. His picture with, ironically, that of his girlfriend "Natalie" was taken off. However, Valentjin's G/F +did+ have the JPG of her and Valentjin still online. Anyhoo, here is Marten's link. I found it odd that such an +old+ man was communicating w/ prepubescents/adolescents online.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=UlarV3dXBBOy95DB

[texasbluebell]

One letter writer from California even blamed the situation on President Bush.

I'd love to hear the "dots" they used to connect him to THIS!

That reminds me of a funny comment on the CA Earthquake threads, something about the fault line for the recent quake has been named "Bush's Fault".

[maggief]

Max Arendsz

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=5NtdmcBW5uu1iZzp

[TexKat]

From SM:

IQUITOS - What do you make of all this, given two people who knew him this morning says it was the same person? I find it interesting that at least somebody in this mess is an EMT, with lifesaving training, but am totally confused by all the postings below.

iquitos wrote: 

selected posts from riehl:

That steve on the left picture is innocent. he works with the red cross aruba, and he's helping the family of the missing teen !!! I'm his friend and I also work with the red cross ARUBA !!! 

Posted by: Roël | June 18, 2005 01:21 PM 


Dan, please post something about this. Contact Roel for confirmation. I find it very distressing to drag an innocent man into the equation, just because he happens to have the same name. 

If you have info to suggest otherwise, post it. If not, this is just creating confusion and is very unfair to Steve Croes on the left. 

I also find it mindboggling that people are saying that it's the same person. Obviously they haven't had exposure to mixed ethnicities. 

Posted by: Getagrip | June 18, 2005 01:33 PMI agree! It took me about 5 seconds to decide these two were not the same. It is obvious to me (and a couple of others like yourself and Angie) that these two men are of different ethnicities. 

Maybe Roel can clear this up because it isn't fair to drag the Steve Croes on the left into this. 

Posted by: Florida Girl | June 18, 2005 01:39 PM 

Ok, just figured out why you think it would have 'tremendous ramifications'. Because SC on the left works for the Red Cross and has been involved in the search for Natalee? 

Please, this is irresponsible. It's not the same guy. 

Posted by: Getagrip | June 18, 2005 01:39 PM 


Dan, if you want a real comparison why don't you put up the skinny version too? I don't think it is the same guy, the arubans on Scared Monkey who know the arrested Steve don't think it is him and the Arubans point out Croes is a common name. Roel knows of what he speaks I say take it down. There are differences in the nose, chin, and brow. We need to be more careful to protect the innocent and not go off on a tangent without a very solid basis. 

Posted by: iquitos | June 18, 2005 01:42 PM 

heee stupids..... 

take of the picture on the LEFT this is another steve croes as I told you stupid yankees before this is a respectable member of aruba community a redcross member for many years and EMT..... 

HOW can you guys be so stupid to think that this is the same person ..... ????? 

again I cannot believe the stupidness i read, I suggest you all book a flight get down to aruba and very howmany steve croes live on aruba,.... .and than you may judge !!! poor steve croes.... 

BT 

Posted by: Pathfinder | June 18, 2005 01:46 PM 

[Rippersnapper]

What I meant by "trivial" in my above comment is that VDS may just have innocently taken Natalee to a party for her last night with him. Bad people there might have forced her away, or drugged her, or something...and threatened VDS if he said anything. I am not excusing him, but the possibility of him getting into a pit of vipers unknowingly could exist. A cartel of drug operations or sex traffickers could have a very strong, frightening impact on a teen who just might have been a dumb kid in this situation. Just a thought. I am not exonerating anyone, only considering other possibilities.

I doubt it. He seems to know people in the wrong circles. Besides, those from Natalee's trip that were with her when they left CnC said she had not planned to go anywhere, just back to the hotel.

[Rippersnapper]

Ahhhh, beautiful, "quiet" Aruba...the isle of dreams nightmares!

You forgot to mention they have no crime. (cough, cough)

[xsmommy]

i want to throw up just thinking about it....

[TexKat]

From SM:

This took some work but I figured out who Marten is. To read the above quote, it does indeed sound like the guy is involved in something not too good. However, after reading Stephanie's site and his site, I don;t think that's the case. It sounds like they have communicated some. His site even says he's looking for a serious relationship (ie these are singles matching sites apparently?_)

Further on, I noticed that this guy says he wrote a book about Thailand and maintains a website. I couldn't find his book on Google anywhere...though it could be something that's published in another country or even sold by the author himself directly. I did find the website though....here:

http://www.meetingthaipeople.com/mtp/

It's a message board that doesn' t seem to get a lot of posts considering the number of members. You have to go to the Matter's of Heart section. There you'll find an interesting thread about online dating and how he's gotten 1500 emails.....some kind of experiment he claims. Then check out some of his other threads.

Naw....this guy isn't trafficking. But he is still some kind of strange person....probably a dirty old man looking for a young chick.

[Rippersnapper]

I think the one on the left is a different person. The nose and mouth seem different.

[xsmommy]

that martha blonde was sitting in for Greta, and she asked Jossy Mansour questions as she would a journalist here, expecting him to react like a journalist here would, and his answers were along the lines of, "oh, they would not tell us that..", "oh we have no way of knowing that..." and she was just sort of nonplussed, didn't follow up etc. just let him go, and he had said absolutely NOTHING in that interview. Can you imagine a US journalist just placidly stating that the US gov't had not told them, and so they could not possibly know...??? there is NO adversarial relationship between the Aruban Press and the Aruban gov't, they are clearly one and the same.

[Rippersnapper]

"The Vigilante news paper from Curacao Reports that the Croes guy might have been involved in breaking and entering on of the fishersman's huts, where appearently a fisherman reported that ropes, ankers, and tape have been stolen.

When did that happen?

[xsmommy]

exactly, that is just whom i was talking about. he was on Greta's show last night with her fill-in. he is editor of El Diario.

[Rippersnapper]

Those two are not the same person.

[TexKat]

Those two are not the same person.

That is what the poster is stating and what was discovered early on in the Croes revelation.

[TexKat]

From SM:

KerinTX wrote:

DJTAYLOR wrote:

OKAY you guys i kinda got in contact with the radio, is there any specific questions that you would like me to ask them>? since i cant listen to the radio i am on there website they are chatting in papiamentu aswering questions so shoot some so i can ask........

DJ...do they know why the suspects are being tranferred to a prison? Is it a space issue?

no its not a space issue, its because they sentence them another 8 days and well aparently there has to have been some sort of evidance that made them take them to prison........but again they are very limited with what they are telling the media

[Rippersnapper]

Yep and its been pointed out several times in this thread, too.