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Which of these is a greater danger? (GUNS vs. Pools)
Arizona Daily Star ^ | June 12, 2005 | Eric Swedlund

Posted on 06/12/2005 8:00:59 AM PDT by SandRat

They're pulled from backyard pools and bathtubs each year, tiny limp bodies, blue and not breathing.

A young life can vanish quickly under water. A survivor can endure a lifetime of disabilities. Either way, families are torn apart by an almost always preventable tragedy.

Standard summer companions in our desert climate, swimming pools can be deadlier for children than guns. A child is 100 times more likely to die in a swimming accident than in gunplay, writes Steven D. Levitt, University of Chicago economics professor and best-selling author.

Levitt analyzed child deaths from residential swimming pools and guns and found one child under 10 drowns annually for every 11,000 pools. By comparison, one child under 10 each year is killed by a gun for every 1 million guns, according to his research, outlined in a new book "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side to Everything," which he co-wrote with journalist Stephen J. Dubner.

In part because they are so familiar, swimming pools are less frightening than guns, Levitt writes.

But the danger is clear - drowning is the leading cause of accidental death for children younger than 5 in Arizona and the second-leading cause of injury-related death nationally among children younger than 15.

Water kills an average of three children each year in Tucson and, even with proper fences, swimming lessons and caution, danger lurks.

"Living with a swimming pool in your back yard is like living next to the Grand Canyon," said Dr. Bob Berg, a pediatric intensive specialist at University Medical Center and a UA professor. "You should never feel comfortable there."

"It happened in blink of an eye."

Nothing can prepare a parent to pull a limp child from the water, wondering whether a moment of inattention has led to tragic, lifelong consequences.

On a February 2004 afternoon, Matilda Gits wheeled her 18-month-old son, Michael, in a wagon to a playground near a small lake in their East Side development. As Michael sat in the shade beneath the playground structure playing with wood chips, Gits leafed through her mail.

"When I turned around to check on him, he was gone," she said. "I didn't know where he was, but I knew I didn't have a lot of time to figure it out."

Gits looked toward the street, then toward the fenced pool on the other side of the playground. She still couldn't see her son, and started running toward the lake.

"I remember running, thinking I can't run this fast, then running faster," she said.

Michael was in the lake, under water. His lips were blue, his eyes rolled back in his head. Twelve weeks pregnant, Gits dived in, grabbed Michael from the water, slammed him on the back, and yelled, "Breathe!"

Michael started crying and neighbors called 911. Michael, now 3, is just fine, but the what-ifs still plague his mother.

After the accident, Gits pushed her neighborhood to install a fence separating the playground from the lake.

"I'm not irresponsible. If this could happen to me, it could happen to anyone. It happened in the blink of an eye," she said. "For a long time, when I'd drive down the street and hear an ambulance, I'd get sick to my stomach."

Preventable devastation

About 88 percent of children who drowned were under some form of supervision, according to a survey for the National SAFE Kids Campaign.

Small distractions such as talking to somebody, reading, eating or using the phone were a factor in most of the cases. The survey found parents are overconfident in their children's safety and abilities in water and need to be more active in supervising children.

"If something terrible really does happen, that's bad enough. If a child dies or is neurologically devastated, families don't get over it," said Berg, the UMC pediatrician. "Their life has been permanently changed in a way that's hard for most of us to believe.

"When a child dies, the devastation to a family is just overwhelming. That's true for almost all child deaths, but one of the things that's dramatic about car accidents and drowning is a few minutes before that, everything is fine. A minute later, that whole dream is shattered."

Medical costs for a near-drowning victim can be nearly $200,000 a year for long-term care and a child suffering brain damage may need millions of dollars in medical care, according to the National SAFE Kids Campaign. As many as 20 percent of near-drowning victims have severe permanent neurological damage.

There is a high divorce rate among parents who have had a child drown and many parents experience long-term psychological effects, Berg said.

Lingering effects

Lynne Gonzales knows all too well about the medical and psychological costs of a near-drowning.

In 1984, Gonzales' son Tony was 17 years old and nearly out of school for the summer when some friends pushed him into the deep end of a pool.

They didn't know he couldn't swim.

By the time they jumped in to save him, the damage had been done.

For the next 13 years, Tony lingered with severe brain damage from lack of oxygen.

"In some ways that has a much worse or longer effect than drowning," Gonzales said.

After the accident, Tony spent time in three hospitals and finally was admitted to a nursing home.

The years that followed, whether he was at home or a nursing home, Tony needed care around the clock due to a tracheotomy and a gastrotomy tube. His parents fought daily with insurance companies, all the while struggling to raise Tony's three younger sisters.

Tony's family is certain he recognized them, but he never spoke again. He could communicate by blinking his eyes, but it was inconsistent.

"There were moments of joy when Tony learned to sit, to stand, to swallow," said Gonzales, who moved to SaddleBrooke last year from Milwaukee. "If you worked closely with him you could see that much of his personality was still intact."

Tony needed around-the-clock nursing care and was at home for about six years after the accident. He died suddenly at a nursing home in 1997.

"You lose a part of your own future," Gonzales said. "You miss all those things that might have been."

The pain of a drowning or near-drowning is never-ending, said Dr. Barb Smith, a member of the Arizona chapter of the American Academy of Pediatrics. Smith has dealt with several families who have lost a child to drowning.

"Families are devastated by it in a way they're not if they have a child who dies from leukemia or some other equally tragic event," Smith said. "What makes drowning different is it's always someone's fault. It's preventable and there's so much remorse about that."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; children; death; drowning; drownings; freakonomics; guns; pools; safety; statistics; swimmingpools
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In Arizona

* Accidental deaths in Arizona for children, 2000-2003

* Drowning: 140

* Gunshot wound: 15

Source: Arizona Child Fatality Review Program

1 posted on 06/12/2005 8:01:00 AM PDT by SandRat
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To: SandRat

So, let's outlaw and control the 'Pool' industry. Perhaps federal registration? We can build huge fences around all lakes, streams and rivers.

Or, we have expect parents to watch their kids and not expect the TV to be a babysitter.


2 posted on 06/12/2005 8:04:05 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; Da Jerdge; Calpernia; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; freekitty; ...
So what next? Are they going to ban swimming pools in the backyard? Based on the left's gun grab logic of "it's only for child safety" they would.
3 posted on 06/12/2005 8:05:01 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Gay sex.


4 posted on 06/12/2005 8:06:12 AM PDT by johnny7 ('Mama T' has seen her husbands 'dishonorable discharge'... close up.)
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To: SandRat

We know what the Liberal knee jerk solution to all this is don't we? Ban everything, swadle everyone in a protectiv layer of foam, keep them under obsevation 24 hours a day in a rond with padding on the floor and walls, funished with padded, rounded funature, and feed them 3 times a day with big brother aproved meals.
we all know that we are incapable of taking care of ourselves, we need a collective group of liberals to take our earnings and make all decisions for us.


5 posted on 06/12/2005 8:08:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

rond= room


6 posted on 06/12/2005 8:09:22 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SandRat

Most dangerous: parents who don't supervise their kids around pools or teach their kids gun safety (and to avoid guns altogether without adult supervision).


7 posted on 06/12/2005 8:12:18 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: SandRat

Don't move! I have a pool in my pocket and I'm not afraid to use it.


8 posted on 06/12/2005 8:14:36 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SandRat

But the "intention" of swimming pools is benign, while the "intention" of guns is to kill people and no one needs a weapon, blah, blah, blah. To the left, all that matters is "good intentions" (no matter if the results are good or bad) and what the leftists, in their infinite wisdom, believe the common citizens "need." If the leftists' "good intentions" result in disaster for the peasants, it does not matter as long as the power of the state against the citizens is increased.


9 posted on 06/12/2005 8:22:55 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell
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To: SandRat

Cut to libs with fingers in ears going, "lalalalalalalalalalala..."


10 posted on 06/12/2005 8:26:15 AM PDT by Noumenon (Activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: SandRat

Don't know how they're defining children, but from CDC data for 2002, we have:

For "children" age 0-19:

Unintentional Injuries (selected line items)
Motor Vehicle Traffic: 7670
Drownings: 1158
Unintentional Firearms Deaths: 167

Homocides by Firearm: 1830

Over 1500 of the firearm homocide deaths are in the 15-19 age range, so you're starting to get into the gangbangers here, is my take.

Here's the source for that:
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html


11 posted on 06/12/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Has any parent who ever lost a child to drowning in a pool ever sued a pool manufacturer for wrongful death or murder?


12 posted on 06/12/2005 8:27:25 AM PDT by nygoose
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To: SandRat

I couldn't even finish this lame article.

Have a pool. Had a baby. Never took eye off baby for a second. Taught baby to swim. Baby is now 10, still swimming. End of story.


13 posted on 06/12/2005 8:32:08 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Noumenon

Yep like that obnoxious woman character on SNL that sort of looks like Tammy Fae Baker.


14 posted on 06/12/2005 8:33:07 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat
I grew up on the water- literally, it was at the front door- and I can't recall a time when I could not swim... my parents had a theory of "making me safe around the water" rather than trying to scare me away from it.

Likewise, when I was big enough to hold a gun, I learned how to shoot- and how dangerous firearms could be. Again, their theory was to "Make me safe around weapons, rather than trying to make the weapons safe around me."

The whole area we live in is surrounded by water- not just the ocean, there are miles of salt marsh and swamps, rivers, creeks, and borrow pits-- and yet, a season never passes where someone falls in the water and drowns, and the first thing you hear is "old so-and-so was so scared of drowning he never learned to swim..."

15 posted on 06/12/2005 8:35:16 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: FreedomPoster

Go to the source article in the Star. It gave me a good laugh at something that a normally far left fishwrap would put something in that we could use to verbally abuse their ideas with.


16 posted on 06/12/2005 8:35:43 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: poobear

Right end.

No Pool, taught 3 children to swim in other pools, have firearms taught all 3 to respect and how to use properly. All three now healthy adults.


17 posted on 06/12/2005 8:38:16 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: backhoe
Nathan Zachary in reply #5 said it best when he wrote-

We know what the Liberal knee jerk solution to all this is don't we? Ban everything, swadle everyone in a protectiv layer of foam, keep them under obsevation 24 hours a day in a rond with padding on the floor and walls, funished with padded, rounded funature, and feed them 3 times a day with big brother aproved meals.

We all know that we are incapable of taking care of ourselves, we need a collective group of liberals to take our earnings and make all decisions for us.We know what the Liberal knee jerk solution to all this is don't we? Ban everything, swadle everyone in a protectiv layer of foam, keep them under obsevation 24 hours a day in a rond with padding on the floor and walls, funished with padded, rounded funature, and feed them 3 times a day with big brother aproved meals.

We all know that we are incapable of taking care of ourselves, we need a collective group of liberals to take our earnings and make all decisions for us.

Most of use here know far better than the namby pamby libs, because we were raised to be strong and independant and to stand on our own two feet.

18 posted on 06/12/2005 8:42:28 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SandRat

Abortionists are the #1 killer of children in this country.


19 posted on 06/12/2005 8:44:47 AM PDT by Chewbacca (My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and thats the way I like it!)
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To: SandRat
Well the only solution would seem to be some "common sense pool control laws" be enacted ASAP - say about 22,000 of them. No, excuse me 44,000 since at least twice as many children are accidentally killed by pools than guns, it's only fair.

We can start by mandatory licensing of ALL pool owners and making them go through gubmint background checks. All pool owners will have to carry their "Pool Owner ID Card" with them at all times when near a pool. And said ID will have to presented when purchasing anything pool related, like say.. water wings. Naturally a database will have to be kept of all pool owners so any irresponsible multiple offenders, or probable offenders, can be found and jailed PQD.

And naturally anyone ever charged with child or spousal abuse, had a DUI, a ticket for reckless driving, sought counseling of any type, ever seen a shrink for any reason, especially depression - will be banned for life from owning a pool or anything pool related.

Furthermore, it's only logical that any licensed pool owner be limited to how many pool related items they may purchase at once. If we follow some gun laws, one a month is 'fair'. Otherwise they might be buying a floating lounge chair for an UNLICENCED person, we can't have that! NO STRAW POOL PURCHASES - period.

But this presents a conundrum - why or how can we 'only' stop at pools?. These dangerous people can as easily do their mischief with a bath tub or a bucket. Those will have to be confiscated too - for public safety.

And please, don't even mention diving boards or slides. Those 'assault weapons of mass death' will be burned in the public square at noon next Saturday. After all, it's for the children.

20 posted on 06/12/2005 8:45:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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