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KORAN CONTAINS NOT A HINT AT PEACE - (only way to defeat Islam is overwhelming military force)
JEWISH OBSERVER.ORG ^ | NOVEMBER, 2002 | Moshe Sharon

Posted on 06/11/2005 6:01:53 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Edited on 11/02/2005 4:20:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Arab language has many nuances. To understand an Arab phrase one has to understand the context and follow the intonation. Not everything you hear should be accepted as real. Most of our Israeli politicians are completely ignorant of understanding the outlook of our enemies, especially Palestinians. If the country's policy is based on ignorance then it is worth nothing. This is the exact image of Israeli policy towards Palestinians now.


(Excerpt) Read more at jewukr.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dhimmi; domination; history; islam; jihad; koran; muhammed; precedent; sharia; teachings; treaties; war
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To: Fred Nerks

Awesome post, awesome back yard and the hindu link is very impressive. Thanks.


21 posted on 06/11/2005 6:55:06 PM PDT by WarPaint (Crush Islam)
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To: melt

Allah (mohammad)lied. Mecca has been destroyed before, ancient arabian lore tells of a great flood, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, huge lava flows. There are numerous impact craters on the Peninsula. Hundreds of thousands of square miles of sharp, burnt stones from meteor showers through which camel trains cannot pass. 'Allah' certainly seems to have tried his best to destroy Mecca - if I was an arab, I would be very careful...LOL!
http://www.specialtyinterests.net/floods.html
http://www.wynn.org/EmptyQuarter/Indexmap.gif
http://www.saudicaves.com/gallery2002.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wabar_craters&printable=yes


22 posted on 06/11/2005 6:55:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: Dark Skies

come see #22 links to what 'allah' did to the arabian peninsula...


23 posted on 06/11/2005 7:04:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: paudio
I just realized that Mohammad is the only one among 'world religions' leaders who actually went to (actual, physical) war against other nations and conquer them. Rama did go to war, but that's because his wife was kidnapped.

You forgot Moses and the Canaanites

24 posted on 06/11/2005 7:10:41 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: CHARLITE
Those who support Muslims try to represent this notion like it looks in the West. They say it is a "struggle" for Muslims' interests. It is not true. This is a bloody war to the final victory until the enemy surrenders to Islam.

you can except this truth now with a gun in your hand or later with a knife at your throat

25 posted on 06/11/2005 7:15:15 PM PDT by lunarbicep ("Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." - G. B. Shaw)
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To: Fred Nerks

Sounds like a good plan to me.


26 posted on 06/11/2005 7:19:38 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: CHARLITE
An excellent read is The Sword of the Prophet by Serge Trifkovic. The research is well-done, and the text is not difficult at all. It's a great expose on the Muslim religion and Muslim society.
28 posted on 06/11/2005 8:08:26 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: CHARLITE
I tried to believe the libs on Islam, I really did. I couldn't believe that such a large religion could be filled with so much hate. So I picked up a Quran. I couldn't find a single part condemning the killing of "infidels".

After being frustrated at not finding the peaceful parts, I went to one of those Mosques/community-centers. I asked for them to show me the line(s) that condemn terrorism. The closest thing they showed me was a part that basically said "it is not prohibited to allow infidels to help you in times of dire need".

Since then I knew the truth about this cult.
29 posted on 06/11/2005 8:14:28 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: CHARLITE

Thanks for the ping!


30 posted on 06/11/2005 8:14:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hispanichoosier; CHARLITE

THE SWORD OF THE PROPHET:
The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam

by Serge Trifkovic

(Boston: Regina Orthodox Press, 2002)

Reviewed by Paul Eidelberg (snip) In her extraordinary work, Islam and Dhimmitude: Where Civilizations Collide, Bat Ye'or avoids discussing Islam per se. She lets Islam's thirteen-century record of plunder, rape, and genocide discredit that religion. One would hardly know of such barbarism reading the doyan of Islamic scholars, Bernard Lewis. Judging from his book What Went Wrong? (2002), nothing is intrinsically wrong with the religion that enthralls 1.2 billion people. And Lewis, unlike John Esposito, is not known as an apologist of Islam.

Enter Serge Trifkovic, a man of extraordinary intellectual courage. His The Sword of the Prophet departs from the moral "neutrality" of academia and, in six lucid and well-documented chapters, provides a "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam." Citing the Kuran and the voluminous Hadiths—the Traditions of what Muhammad said and did—Dr. Trifkovic exposes Islam's prophet as cruel, ignorant, and lascivious. He examines Islam's fatalistic theology; reviews this religion's devastation of other civilizations; warns of the Muslims' insidious penetration of America and Europe; criticizes U.S. appeasement of Saudi Arabia and other Islamic regimes; and goes to the heart of what must be done to prevent Islam's global ascendancy.

Chapter 1, "Muhammad," portrays a simple preacher who became a fanatical warlord in the process of conquering Mecca and Medina. After slaughtering Arab tribesmen and looting their camels, the prophet and his followers kidnapped their women and staged an orgy of rape. One Hadith explains:

We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger … and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.

To the men of one Jewish tribe, Muhammad offered the choice of conversion to Islam or death. Upon their refusal, up to 900 were decapitated in front of their women and children. "Truly the judgment of Allah was pronounced on high," was Muhammad's comment. The women were subsequently raped. Trifkovic comments: "That Muhammad's actions and words, as immortalized in the Kuran and recorded in the Traditions, are frankly shocking by the standards of our time—and punishable by it laws, that range from war crimes and murder to rape and child molestation—almost goes without saying." Trifkovik is aware of the cultural and historical relativism that would prompt Western intellectuals to say, "we must not extend the judgmental yardstick of our own culture to the members of other cultures who have lived in other eras." He counters this relativism by pointing out that "even in the context of seventh century Arabia, Muhammad had to resort to divine revelations as a means of suppressing the prevalent moral code of his own milieu."

Muhammad repeatedly invoked Allah as a deus ex machina, professing revelations to justify the prophet's political and personal needs. "Nowhere was this more obvious than when it came to his exaggerated sensuality." Trifkovic cites Ibn Warraq, author of Why I am Not a Muslim (1995), who asks whether Muhammad was a "known fraud, or did he sincerely believe that all his 'revelations' that constitute the Kuran were direct communications from God?" Warraq does not see how this can possibly matter to our moral judgment of Muhammad's character. "Certain racists sincerely believe that Jews should be exterminated. How does their sincerity affect our moral judgment of their beliefs?"

read more....
http://www.freeman.org/m_online/aug03/eidelberg.htm


31 posted on 06/11/2005 8:22:00 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: jan in Colorado

#22 here.


32 posted on 06/11/2005 9:37:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: CHARLITE

bookmark


34 posted on 06/11/2005 11:33:37 PM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: markoller

thanks, sounds interesting, I'll do that...


35 posted on 06/11/2005 11:47:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: melt

Yes, the proverbial "rain of ruin" is what's needed! Allahu fubar!


36 posted on 06/12/2005 12:58:44 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: CHARLITE; All
Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

37 posted on 06/12/2005 1:19:46 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: SauronOfMordor
You forgot Moses and the Canaanites

Ah, yes. You're right.

38 posted on 06/12/2005 2:18:09 AM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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To: markoller; CHARLITE; jan in Colorado; USF; AmericanArchConservative; Dark Skies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1051593/posts
The Myth Of Mecca: (snip) thanks backhoe


For an increasing number of Islamic historians, the tradition of Mohammed being the source and explanation of the Arab Conquest, wherein Arab tribesmen on horseback emerged out of the Arabian deserts to conquer Syria, Mesopotamia, Persia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya, and Spain in less than 80 years (636-712), stands history on its head. They demonstrate that the story of Mohammed uniting various Arab tribes like Genghiz Khan did for the Mongols, and providing them with the religious fervor to conquer in the name of Islam, is "sacred history," rather than real history. Historian Gordon Newby explains:

"The myth of an original orthodoxy from which later challengers fall away as heretics is almost always the retrospective assertion of a politically dominant group whose aim is to establish their supremacy by appeal to divine sanction."

This applies to the Arab Conquest, says al-Rawandi, because for some two hundred years the Arab conquerors were a minority amongst a non-Moslem majority. For al-Rawandi, Islam is an invention for the purpose of providing a religious justification for Arab Imperialism. The Conquest is the reason and explanation for Islam, not the other way around. While there may well have been a historical individual named Ubu'l Kassim who was later entitled Mohammed ("The Praised One"), who raised followers and participated in the initiation of the Arab Conquest, he likely came from northeast Arabia in what is now southern Jordan. The deity that Ubu'l Kassim chose to follow was Allah, a contraction of al-Lah, the ancient Arab God of the Moon [note: which is why the symbol of Islam to this day is the crescent moon]. Ubu'l Kassim died, however, some years before the Arab Conquest was fully underway (the traditional date is 632). Al-Rawandi summarizes what then happened:

"Once the Arabs had acquired an empire, a coherent religion was required in order to hold that empire together and legitimize their rule. In a process that involved a massive backreading of history, and in conformity to the available Jewish and Christian models, this meant they needed a revelation and a revealer - a Prophet - whose life could serve at once as a model for moral conduct and as a framework for the appearance of the revelation. Hence (Ubu'l Kassim was selected to be the Prophet), the Koran, the Hadith (Sayings of the Prophet), and the Sira were contrived and conjoined over a period of a couple of centuries. Topographically, after a century or so of Judaeo-Moslem monotheism centered on Jerusalem, in order to make Islam distinctively Arab... an inner Arabian biography of Mecca, Medina, the Quraysh, the Prophet and his Hegira (flight from Mecca to Medina alleged in 622, Year One in the Islamic calendar) was created as a purely literary artifact. An artifact, moreover, based not on faithful memories of real events, but on the fertile imaginations of Arab storytellers elaborating from allusive references in Koranic texts, the canonical text of the Koran not being fixed for nearly two centuries." (p.104)

Al-Rawandi concludes that the Sira, the life of Mohammed in Mecca and Medina is a myth, a "baseless fiction." This is the conclusion of a substantial number of serious academic historians working on Islamic Studies today. They include Mohammed Ibn al-Warraq, Mohammed Ibn al-Rawandi, John Wansbrough, Kenneth Cragg, Patricia Crone, Michael Cook, John Burton, Andrew Rippin, Julian Baldick, Gerald Hawting, and Suliman Bashear. Yet they and their research are virtually unknown...read more


39 posted on 06/12/2005 3:39:56 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: GulfWar1Vet

40 posted on 06/13/2005 7:02:38 AM PDT by blackie
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