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Cancer sufferers would tend to disagree with George here.
1 posted on 06/10/2005 2:32:31 PM PDT by Nachum
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Note to moderator:

Sorry for the double post. I did not see that the first one had effectively been posted.


my bad!


2 posted on 06/10/2005 2:34:39 PM PDT by Nachum
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The arguments are ludicrous. The whole debate is whether pot should be taxed. If it won't be taxed it will be prohibited, which seems a strange thing to do with a weed that grows everywhere. Pot smoking screws up the mind and makes a nation easy pickings, but that is another issue.


3 posted on 06/10/2005 2:36:03 PM PDT by RightWhale (I know nothing, and less every day)
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. . . that it impairs memory, alters time perception, reduces coordination, damages the immune system, is psychologically habit-forming and creates a wide range of effects on moods and behavior.

Gee, sounds like alcohol. Let's reinstate prohibition.

4 posted on 06/10/2005 2:36:04 PM PDT by ahayes
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I agree that pot should be illegal, but my objection to the SC case is that this is a matter reserved for the states. The federal law went beyond a reasonable interpretation of the commerce clause.

Heck, under such a broad commerce clause, the 10th Amendment has no meaning.


5 posted on 06/10/2005 2:36:37 PM PDT by Stat-boy
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All of his points should be irrelevant. Current law dealing with the substance is the result of a much larger & intrusive federal power grab. It took a Constitutional amendment to give the federal government power over alcohol use. What puts all other ingestable things under the thumb of federal power?


6 posted on 06/10/2005 2:45:13 PM PDT by GoLightly
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"MARIJUANA NOT ONLY FAILED TO LESSEN PAIN, IT ACTUALLY INCREASED IT!"

this must be why all these chronic pain sufferers swear by the stuff ?
Maybe they are all masochists !?
Anyway , we should all know by now to take the word of 'Studies' over direct experience . What good are our God given senses anyway?


7 posted on 06/10/2005 2:46:17 PM PDT by injin
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marijuana is dangerous on many fronts, that it impairs memory, alters time perception, reduces coordination, damages the immune system, is psychologically habit-forming and creates a wide range of effects on moods and behavior.

Ohh what a load of crap.

MJ is - by orders of magnitude - much less dangerous then alcohol. Use any metric you like... damage to health, loss of productivity, crime and antisocial behavior, addiction rates etc. etc.

10 posted on 06/10/2005 2:58:20 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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The only reason I would like MJ to stay illegal, is because if it was sold by state sanctioned stores, it most prolly would be seedy, stemmy brown mexican shit.


11 posted on 06/10/2005 3:00:13 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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Two questions I'd like someone more knowledgable than I to address:

Has Marijuana ever been medically proven, by studies in accordance with accepted scientifc method, to alleviate symptoms from the various diseases claimed?

If, in fact, the active ingredient in Marijuana (THC, i.e. Tetrahydracannabinol) has been, or can be, proven to be medically effective, is there any reason why the THC cannot be synthesized and administered pharmaceutically in the same fashion narcotics etc. are?

If the answers to these questions are indeed 'yes,' I'd assume the pharmaceutical companies would be salivating about developing a new, and it would seem very marketable (!), arrow for their quiver?

- knightshadow.


12 posted on 06/10/2005 3:02:55 PM PDT by knightshadow
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This whole medical MJ is just a scam by left-wing leftover hippies to legalize pot so they can smoke it. It has nothing to do with pain killing. There are many more effective pain killers than pot. Any pain killing properties that pot has, can be put into a pill. It would not have to be smoked. Right on George P for having the courage to speak the truth.


13 posted on 06/10/2005 3:05:17 PM PDT by jeffsg4mac
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The war on pot was initially justified by raising the fear that white girls would be seduced by black musicians using pot. The arguements have changed a bit since then, but not much.

OK -- using pot has potential bad consequences for some people.

That is an arguement for not USING pot, and arguement that should be presented to every young person.

That is NOT an arguement for CRIMINALIZATING pot.

Many of us hold two beliefs at the same time without contradiction:
1) Using Drugs, including Pot, is bad.
2) The War on Drugs is worse.

I am past 60, and I still haven't heard a good approach for discouraging vices (e.g., use of pot, tobacco, alcohol, prostitution, promiscuous gay sex, etc.) which do not create worse consequences than the vices being discouraged.

The war on pot has killed more people and destroyed more lives (e.g., due to mandatory minimum sentences for simple drug possession) than the pot would have if left alone and discouraged with education. It has resulted in the formation of a police state, and the loss of rights, the loss of restraints placed on the government by the Constitution. It has resulted in the waste of billions of dollars extracted from taxpayers at the point of a gun. It has resulted in the corruption of the justice system, from cops to prosecuters to judges to legislators.

It is time to look at ways of reducing harm, not exchanging the "use of drugs" harm for another which is much worse.



17 posted on 06/10/2005 3:11:33 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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Well I used to be libertarian about the subject, as long no one else is harmed then let people ruin their brains.

But one day I happened to watch a movie that changed my life. Everyone needs to see Reefer Madness to know how evil this killer weed is. I still wake up in cold sweats reliving in my dream that dememted druggie yelling "faster faster" to a drugged up female playing piano.

Never will try that demon weed, I get high the safe way by huffing gasoline out of a paper bag.


21 posted on 06/10/2005 3:37:14 PM PDT by Swiss
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Fifty years ago, as a much younger television reporter, I did a series of interviews with Dr. Hardin B. Jones, Professor of Medical Physics and Physiology at the University of California Berkeley

ROTFLMAO!!!
I remember Putnam ranting about the evil Mexican narcotic MAR I JUNAAAA from the podium. He showed all those old propaganda clips from the thirties and forties on TV. Great entertainment! I even remember the somber Dr. Hardin Jones!

Old Doc Jones was quite a guy. He became infamous with his cancer treatments. Remember "World Without Cancer"? The vitamin B-17, also known as Laetrile, hoax caused hundreds, if not thousands of deaths, when cancer patients flocked to the new "miracle cure". Dr. Hardin Jones, of Putnam fame, was the pusher of that worthless quack remedy!

Doctor Jones is a quack and so is George Putnam!
...
24 posted on 06/10/2005 3:40:40 PM PDT by mugs99
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However bad for you pot may be, I would question where they got their data that pot increased aggressive or violent behavior. Not.


29 posted on 06/10/2005 3:51:50 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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Your kidding right, because they need morphine to make it, not marijuana.


37 posted on 06/10/2005 5:51:34 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Sometimes, books get me to change my views. John Stossel's book "Gimme a Break" convinced me of the silliness of banning marijuana. Adults should be treated as adults. That means if you want to abuse your health, that's your right.

That also means if you want welfare, tough luck. Able-bodied adults should be able to care for themselves.


38 posted on 06/10/2005 5:53:35 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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So would most sane people.

I've never touched pot, but I've been around potheads before.

Know what? I perfer them to drunks.


53 posted on 06/10/2005 6:39:38 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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[ Marijuana is not a benign drug. Use of this drug impairs learning and judgment and may lead to the development of mental health problems. ]

Like the American democrat party.. except not as bad..
And increasingly like the republican party too..

I don't do the stuff but have in the past.. The democrat party is much much worse of a negative influence than marijuana.. it appears to be worse than even Crack..

Legalizing home grown grass would make the grass market nose dive..
SOoo, thats not going to happen..

WHY.?.. WHY indeed... A good question that will NEVER be asked..
WHY.?.. Why Indeed..
( I could on like this for many more iterations BUT)..
You got it..

57 posted on 06/10/2005 7:00:00 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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I like smoking weed. I'll continue to do so.


62 posted on 06/10/2005 7:37:01 PM PDT by Wolfie
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Marking.


63 posted on 06/10/2005 7:37:19 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Terri Schindler wasn't in PVS, justice was!!!!!)
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