Did Kerry really release Navy records? - (John O'Neill issues challenge; Kerry unresponsive)

CHICAGO SUN-TIMES ^ | JUNE 9, 2005 | THOMAS LIPSCOMB

[CHARLITE]

A front page story in the Boston Globe claimed that: "Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records." In another Globe story Kerry had promised "The truth in its entirety will come out." But did it?

Kerry's election hopes faltered last summer and fall as accusations of fraudulent and incomplete military records were aired. The fact that Kerry repeatedly refused to sign a single-page military form called the Standard Form 180, that would have released all his military records to the public, was taken as proof he had something to hide.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth head John O'Neill, who raised many of the charges against Kerry during the campaign, was challenged by Kerry on "Meet the Press" in January. Kerry promised he would sign his Standard Form 180, but he wanted former Swift Boat officer O'Neill to sign as well.

All depends on how it's filled out

O'Neill did sign it and provided copies to the Chicago Sun-Times. According to O'Neill, "The Standard Form 180 could release 'the full military and medical records.' Or it could release just a few. It all depends on how it is filled out and where it was sent."

"There is nothing magic about signing a SF 180," said former Naval Judge Advocate General Mark Sullivan. "It is sort of like your checkbook. You can fill out a check for one dollar or a million. It is the same check form."

"And the Globe story says Kerry sent it to the Navy Personnel Command, which is only a limited storage location. So it is not surprising that the Globe then notes that what they received was largely 'duplication' of records previously released. The Navy Personnel Command primarily stores a subset of service records rather than a person's full military records. There is no doubt there are a lot of after-action records missing from what Kerry has released," said Sullivan.

Kerry's not talking

Washington Post reporter Michael Dobbs has already found a discrepancy confirmed by the Department of the Navy of "at least a hundred pages" missing from those already disclosed by Kerry.

"If you take a look at my SF 180," O'Neill said, "you will see I have authorized the total release of all my records to anyone requesting to see them. But without seeing how Kerry's SF 180 was filled out, everyone is only guessing about what was released."

So how an SF 180 is filled out is as important as signing it. But no one in the press has yet claimed to have seen a copy of Kerry's SF-180. When asked if she had a copy of Kerry's SF 180, the Globe's Managing Editor Mary Jane Wilkinson said, "I haven't seen it, and I don't know if anyone here has."

Kerry's Senate offices could not provide a copy of the Kerry SF 180 and would not answer inquiries. Is it possible that Kerry filled it out wrong or sent it to the wrong place?

O'Neill made Kerry an offer. "I'll be happy to bring one to Kerry's office and help him fill it out. And then we can take mine and his and deliver them to the right place together to make sure, as Kerry puts it, 'the truth in its entirety will come out.' "

Now that the Boston Globe has in its possession what it claims are Kerry's "full military and medical records," is the Globe ready to make these records available to the public? Wilkinson replied, "It is my understanding that Kerry will release these papers to anyone else now that he has signed the Form 180. The Boston Globe is not going to make available the papers we have received."

Thomas H. Lipscomb is a senior fellow at the Annenberg Center for the Digital Future at USC.

[frogjerk]

I don't remember but did W sign a Form 180 and if he did (I think he did) who did he release the records to? I'd like to know so that when a lib screams "Kerry signed his 180 and the GOP still isn't happy", I have something to rebuke them with.

[Oldsailor]

Those of us who were actually in combat in Viet Nam know that Kerry is as phony as a three dollar bill. Well said, I have always talked about how phoney this so called hero is. I've known a lot of real WW2 heros and never ever heard one of those guys talk about his exploits like "Phoney Kerry" does.

[pepsionice]

The truth here is...that if a serious Vietnam War vet...chooses to run in the next Senate election against Kerry, and completely opens up all of his records...Kerry will have to open up his or face defeat. And Kerry can't afford to admit to the public that he was "booted" out of the navy, and that Carter's adminstration just wrote up a nice general discharge instead. It'll be black and white in the records...which you really wouldn't want to admit. I think we need to find a clean-cut Republican from Mass...who has a open history...and just let him run as a "open-book". Kerry wouldn't be able to debate the guy without this topic coming up.

[Juan Medén]

Flaming lies and the liars who lie them.

[QQQQQ]

Here is a blank SF 180 -- you can see that you can authorize release of only certain years, and release only to certain entities. (in.pdf)
You can even choose to have a "deleted" or "undeleted" version of the DD214. (see below)

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/obtain_copies/standard_form_180.pdf


Kerry only released them to the Boston Globe and we have yet to see a copy of his signed 180, so we can see, which years did he allow to be released.

[ProudVet77]

The DD214 is rather limited in what it would tell you. You can have your DD-214 modified after the fact by filing another SF-180 to have medals modified if they were issued after your initial seperation for example (IIRC).
You really need the whole record, including medical records to get the complete picture.

[jackv]

Bush signed the 180 way way back, which is how they got info to use against him in the campaign re: TANG, etc.
I don't know who it was he gave them to exactly tho.

[rawcatslyentist]

">He has no concept of the word honor."
Not true, he is very loyal and honorable in Communist circles.

He's Got A Plan

Seven Dead Monkeys Page O Tunes

[hsalaw]

"I love O'Neill"

Ditto> What frosts me about all of this is where was the so-called MSM during Kerry's campaigning? They were so busy creating non-stories about Pres. Bush's National Guard service that they somehow didn't have time for "investigative journalism" about Kerry's service? Yeah, right. And we can't just let this go because the election is over. Almost half the country voted for this fraud, and they should know what they voted for.

[Zacs Mom]

skerry has nothing to hide!


It's all y'alls fault he wouldn't release his records ...
as this totally asinine quote from the New York Sun article clearly shows:

Mr. Kerry told the Globe that he delayed signing the release because he was reluctant to placate his political opponents. "I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out," he said.

[commonasdirt]

"how the veterans in Massachusetts ever let this fraud stay in office all these years is mind boggling to me."

Hey Kelly, it's Mass. The same state that keeps on sending Teddy K back to Washington. Maybe not a majority of veterans as they tend to have a better B.S. meter than non-vets, but the voters in general.

[andyk]

"There is nothing magic about signing a SF 180," said former Naval Judge Advocate General Mark Sullivan. "It is sort of like your checkbook. You can fill out a check for one dollar or a million. It is the same check form."

This just gets better and better.

[QQQQQ]

Here is the original thread about the Boston Globe article with the big news of Kerry having released his records.

Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records (Navy provided them to Boston Globe)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1417940/posts

The more I think about it, the more I believe, that Kerry signed the 180 authorizing release of only certain years, and ONLY to the Boston Globe. I bet he and the BG had an agreement, that this will give cover to Kerry, so he can say he signed the 180, and the Boston Globe will NOT release an actual copy of his signed 180, so the rest of the world can see the limitations, nor will the BG publish anything, that wasn't already released by Kerry.

They must think we are all stupid.

Thank God for O'Neill for speaking up.

[Curious Yellow]

This isn't complicated. The Form 180 only has two options: request an undeleted or deleted version. It should be clear from the material received which version Kerry requested. This is from the form:

http://tinyurl.com/4rwky

SECTION II – INFORMATION AND/OR DOCUMENTS REQUESTED

1. REPORT OF SEPARATION(DD Form 214 or equivalent). This contains information normally needed to verify military service. A copy may be sent to the veteran, the deceased veteran's next of kin, or other persons or organizations if authorized in Section III, below. NOTE: If more than one period of service was performed, even in the same branch, there may be more than one Report of Separation. Be sure to show EACH year that a Report of Separation was issued, for which you need a copy.

An UNDELETED Report of Separation is requested for the year(s) This normally will be a copy of the full separation document including such sensitive items as the character of separation, authority for separation, reason for separation, reenlistment eligibility code, separation (SPD/SPN) code, and dates of time lost. An undeleted version is ordinarily required to determine eligibility for benefits.

A DELETED Report of Separation is requested for the year(s)
The following information will be deleted from the copy sent: authority for separation, reason for separation, reenlistment eligibility code, separation(SPD/SPN) code, and for separations after June 30, 1979, character of separation and dates of time lost.

[scott7278]

Uh, it's lunch time here, thanks. Or it was, anyway.

Sheesh! Now I need an eye flush.

[ConsentofGoverned]

kerry was very lucky to be in navy not my unit. he would have been sent home with very real wounds- 101st abn 69-71
many of us bled but never got p hearts as those were reserved for wounds that removed you from combat..how he can to this day claim these p hearts shows the true nature of this "man"..a disgrace to those who served while he ran from battle - 3 months and an out without major wounds-only in Democrat circles could this man be called a hero.

[kellynla]

I think we need to find a clean-cut Republican from Mass

Well that's pretty much up to the folks in MA now isn't it... they don't seem to have a problem with an "impostore" in office for the past thirty years...in fact they must like having an "impostore" representing them...they keep reelecting him...

[F.J. Mitchell]

O'Neill is real-Kerry is as phony as a three dollar bill.

[Zacs Mom]

ewwwww -- sorry! Hadn't thought about it being lunch time

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

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Swift Boat Veteran For Truth John O'Neill Comments on Kerry's 180 'Release'
6/7/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418592/posts

John Kerry was dishonorably dismissed from the Navy:
(statement from lawyers there at the time)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1406760/posts