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Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
6-7-2005

Posted on 06/07/2005 1:35:36 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs

The two suspects arrested in connection with the disappearance have just been charged with murder, homicide and kidnapping leading to homicide.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nataleeholloway; nitpick; notfunny
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To: JeffAtlanta

"No offense, but you probably shouldn't draw conclusions on items that you haven't read yourself."

No offense taken as I realize now that most of the info on this thread is speculation and rumors.


181 posted on 06/07/2005 4:08:06 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: littlelilac

Glad to hear it. My experience (think I have a good few decades on you there) has been that even the most experienced male traveler, when traveling alone, had better know the language. For the life of me, why I can see young Americans with headphones on walking around major cities in foreign countries is quite simply beyond me. Nothing is more essential than knowing what noises are around you--especially if you don't know the language, and moreso if you do.

Stay above the second floor, don't sit in an aisle seat, etc. Relying on the good graces of the foreign nationals drops exponentially with sunset. Good to know.

Yeah, you were safe. And, you were in Europe.

These blue water places in the Caribbean are pretty, yes, but they are famous for their offshore banks, after all, and now this. Sure, it's nothing compared to a single day in any city in the US. It's just sad. And, yes, they need to solve this, or say they have, toute suite.


182 posted on 06/07/2005 4:08:38 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: JeffAtlanta

IF TRUE.


183 posted on 06/07/2005 4:08:43 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: Blessed
3. A guide or companion whose purpose is to ensure propriety or restrict activity
184 posted on 06/07/2005 4:09:02 PM PDT by Rippersnapper
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

they also called in the FBI because they don't have the forensic teams or labs or the specially trained divers

personally if they were hiding something they wouldn't have called in the FBI, just ask the FBI about the co-operation they didn't get from the Saudis on Khobar Towers in 1995

I think that we have to understand that actually the police should not be giving away every detail to the media because it can compromise the investigation, this is a mistake made by some American cops who get all starry eyed with the media coverage

we may be frustrated but it is in fact better for the investigation to keep your mouth shut on details so you can interview witnesses and catch them in lies etc......

all in good time, all in good time, give the Aruban police and courts a chance to do their thing



185 posted on 06/07/2005 4:10:32 PM PDT by littlelilac
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To: texasbluebell
"An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM."

In which case I assume they are guilty and her blood is on their heads

186 posted on 06/07/2005 4:11:14 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: bonfire

I posted on another thread today something that was reported on another board. It was posted by someone from the town Natalee was from.

The poster said that Natalee went off with just the one guy, or thought that's what she was doing. She told her friends she would be back in a few minutes, he was going to take her to see the lighthouse or some such site that she had not seen.

Since she was leaving the next day, she probably just wanted to go see it, and remember, she had been hanging out with this guy (the judge's son) since they met a few days before, and probably had come to trust him.

But as the car drove off, the poster said that Natalee's friends saw the other 2 guys sort of hiding in the backseat of the car.

Just reporting what was on either tripadvisor or courttv boards, not sure now which one.

I will never believe that that girl planned on having relations with all 3 guys, if that's what happened.


187 posted on 06/07/2005 4:12:49 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Phantom Lord

If you will re-read the entire headline, you will see your error.


188 posted on 06/07/2005 4:13:18 PM PDT by miele man
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To: combat_boots
These blue water places in the Caribbean are pretty, yes, but they are famous for their offshore banks, after all, and now this.

Aruba isn't famous for its offshore banks or anything else notorious. It's famous for being a small island with a dutch (white) population where there is hardly any crime. Vacationers do not have to worry about being approached with panhandlers or the like.

Aruba is nothing like Jamaica or any other island in the Caribbean. It's like a small town in the United States.

189 posted on 06/07/2005 4:13:47 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: Rippersnapper

>3. A guide or companion whose purpose is to ensure propriety or restrict activity<

What makes you think the 7 on this trip were doing this? They were on the trip.They had no authority to tell these students anything.Notice none stayed behind and assumed any responsibility after she turned up missing.

Assumptions like you have made are the the same ones made by many parents who allow their kids to make trips like this.


190 posted on 06/07/2005 4:14:14 PM PDT by Blessed
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To: Blessed

exactly - even that is conjecture at this point, I'm just pointing out if you are judge's son or oh say a Kennedy, the police are likely going to not make an arrest until they have more evidence than perhaps in a "normal" situation, whether they live in Aruba or Mass...we can only presume that as of now, the cops don't have probable cause vs the three yet or they may be playing a game with these boys, they could be under surveillance,


191 posted on 06/07/2005 4:14:30 PM PDT by littlelilac
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To: texasbluebell

Me either. It's just hard for me to believe that two different groups of guys are involved in this. Something sounds fudged.


192 posted on 06/07/2005 4:14:37 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: af_vet_1981
In which case I assume they are guilty and her blood is on their heads

Then why is no other news source reporting it? If it were true, CNN and FoxNews would be all over it.

193 posted on 06/07/2005 4:15:15 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: No Surrender No Retreat
Just where did you get these facts? You don't know any more than the rest of us. She was an American, Whoopty-Doo. She was an unbeleivably stupid young woman to go off by herself with strangers, and her parents should be ashamed of themselves if they didn't teach her better. She could have come to the same end right here in America. There is A LOT more of this type of crime right here.

Your statements about a place you know nothing about make you sound silly. They 'hate Americans?' Where on earth do you get that idea?

194 posted on 06/07/2005 4:15:42 PM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: af_vet_1981

If she has not been seen on the hotel camera returning when they said she did, and if the 2 guards were not lurking in front of the Holiday Inn and intercepted her, then I think the 2 who are charged are being set up.


195 posted on 06/07/2005 4:15:44 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Blessed

I also notice that we haven't heard boo from the "chaperones". Guess they are laying low.


196 posted on 06/07/2005 4:15:57 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: JeffAtlanta

"Aruba isn't famous for its offshore banks or anything else notorious. It's famous for being a small island with a dutch (white) population where there is hardly any crime. Vacationers do not have to worry about being approached with panhandlers or the like."

Sorry. Am thinking of a few other places in the vicinity.


197 posted on 06/07/2005 4:16:11 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: littlelilac
all in good time, all in good time, give the Aruban police and courts a chance to do their thing

And if they do not, quarantine the island until they do ...

198 posted on 06/07/2005 4:16:23 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

Good idea. Nobody in, nobody out.


199 posted on 06/07/2005 4:17:26 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: texasbluebell
If she has not been seen on the hotel camera returning when they said she did, and if the 2 guards were not lurking in front of the Holiday Inn and intercepted her, then I think the 2 who are charged are being set up.

Hard interrogation, polygraphs, truth drugs and even torture are appropriate methods in cases like this.

200 posted on 06/07/2005 4:17:51 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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