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U.S. housing boom a bust for many (heh credit wrecks to come)
MSNBC & Washington Post ^ | May 29, 2005 | Michael Powell

Posted on 05/30/2005 6:19:28 AM PDT by Flavius

Edited on 05/30/2005 6:35:29 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

PHILADELPHIA - To walk Thayer Street in northeast Philadelphia is to count, door by door, the economic devastation afflicting a working-class neighborhood. On a single block, 18 of the 42 brick rowhouses have gone into foreclosure in the past three years.

There's Marciela Perez, who fell ill with cancer, lacked health insurance and stopped making mortgage payments. Barrel-chested Richard Hidalgo, who got divorced and could no longer make his monthly nut. And Mike O'Mara, a rawboned and crew-cut truck driver who took on too much debt, lost his job and fell behind on his mortgage.

"Mortgage companies convinced us to refinance, and each time our bill went up," O'Mara said as he surveyed his narrow street from his shaded front porch. "You fall behind and they swoop down on you."

Excerpt msnbc.msn.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: default; housing; mortgage; philadelphia; re; realestate
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To: princess leah

We own a home jointly with my in-laws,we just refinanced.rolled our first and second into one loan took no money just a straight refi on fixed interest rate of 5.9% 30 yrs. dropped our house payment by a couple hundred a month so if we want an extra thing or two thats how we will pay for it,cash using what we save on our lower house payments!


21 posted on 05/30/2005 6:56:26 AM PDT by suzyq5558 (This space is reserved for the next round of liberal idiocy... there they go again)
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To: Flavius

My goodness, all those victims from the "working class" neighborhood in the first couple of paragraphs. I wish I could live in a non-working class neighborhood where I didn't have to worry about mortgage payments and otherwise paying back money that I borrowed.


22 posted on 05/30/2005 7:00:21 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: battousai
Yes I just saw one of those advertised on TV I cringed to think that people would actually fall for that, why would you want to keep paying off interest and not the capital, some people just don't get it.

Like any other "tool", the interest-only mortgage has its place. For instance, for someone going to the D.C. area, where the housing market is perpetually climbing, and knows he is going to be there only a couple of years, (e.g. military) the interest-only option would be a great way to make some money. After a couple of years, the house has appreciated significantly, and the payments you've made are only a small fraction of a regular mortgage payment. And, if you're smart, you've invested a significant portion of the "rest" of the mortgage payment.
24 posted on 05/30/2005 7:00:26 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: Flavius

At 59, I finally own my home outright. My wife and I sold our house in California for an obscene amount of money, paid off every debt we had, and bought a home twice as large in Minnesota, for half what we sold for in California.

No mortgage. No payments. Life's sweet.


25 posted on 05/30/2005 7:00:27 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Flavius

The real issue is the ability to plan ahead.

As a small landlord I have had tenants with low incomes but who would start accumulating money for February's rent payment right after they made the one for January. These people almost never get into trouble, and if they do, they see it coming well in advance and I will always give them more time if they ask before they are late.

The other type is ones who start thinking about the rent two or three days before it is due. They are frequently late, no matter what their income, they bounce checks, and are in general bad credit risks.

I will almost guarantee that every one of those in the story were in the second category...


26 posted on 05/30/2005 7:01:36 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Flavius

"Mortgage companies convinced us to refinance, and each time our bill went up,"

Uhm, whose fault is that? I guess it's the Mortgage company and not you, right?

Maybe if people understood that you personally can't spend more than you make forever then we would start requiring Congress to quit spending more than the IRS collects, also. Gov't debt is just a reflection of society's values. After all, doesn't a people who can vote freely deserve the gov't they get?


27 posted on 05/30/2005 7:03:08 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: armydoc

Dead on right. I'm about to pick up a sizeable mortgage and VERY seriously considering interest only.


28 posted on 05/30/2005 7:08:35 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Bug

"... in U.S. history has delivered riches. They repeatedly tap their homes for equity and use the cash to purchase granite countertops, a BMW, even a trip to the Super Bowl "

Eh? What 'riches'?
A BMW financed with an equity loan?
I'd rather pay cash for a YUGO! Thank you very much....


29 posted on 05/30/2005 7:13:29 AM PDT by traumer
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To: RightOnline
Dead on right. I'm about to pick up a sizeable mortgage and VERY seriously considering interest only.

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Why? Unless you have the income and the discipline to pay down the principal by the end of the interest only period taking such a mortgage is a sucker's play.

30 posted on 05/30/2005 7:13:54 AM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: Flavius
Barrel-chested Richard Hidalgo, who got divorced and could no longer make his monthly nut.

Did we really need to know the frequency of his former sex life?

31 posted on 05/30/2005 7:15:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: Archangelsk
...with the introduction of paying-the-interest-only mortgages...

Worse yet, there is a company in Dallas that is advertising a 1.75% interest only mortgage. Except that the actual interest rate is at 5%, so not only do you never touch the principal (...ple?), you accumulate even more debt.

32 posted on 05/30/2005 7:19:02 AM PDT by SWake (Curator of West Wackistan)
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To: Flavius
"Mortgage companies convinced us to refinance, and each time our bill went up,"

I went to a mortgage company sales meeting once, and they served drugs in Kool-Aid that made everyone agree to refinance...

Why is personal responsibility such a problem?

33 posted on 05/30/2005 7:21:04 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Glenn

"he advised homeowners to make their mortages ARMs"

I hope he was being sarcastic:
Having faith in Greenspan is idiotic.
ARM's are just simply foolish at the rate one can get today.


34 posted on 05/30/2005 7:23:19 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (BUSH --- BUILD THOSE WALLS!)
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To: Archangelsk

Yup. Life has never been bleaker. All is lost. The sky is falling. We're all gonna die. Our children and grandchildren will not survive either.


35 posted on 05/30/2005 7:24:02 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: suzyq5558
a straight refi on fixed interest rate of 5.9% 30 yrs. dropped our house payment by a couple hundred a month

Did you calculate how quickly you would pay off the house if you left the mortgage payment the same and took the lower interest? When I financed my house, adding about $200 per month halved the term of the mortgage.

Freepmail me an email address and I can send you a spreadsheet to play "what if". I'll need to know if you make your payment monthly or every other week (another interesting trick that can save some $$.

36 posted on 05/30/2005 7:24:06 AM PDT by SWake (Curator of West Wackistan)
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To: Archangelsk
As for mortgages, pffffffttt, I've bought and sold three houses in my adult life and the next house I buy will be in cash, or not at all.

I use to stay in debt and worked myself silly. One day I just downsized. Paid for a small place. Paid off both cars and I only use a debit card. I work a couple hrs. a day selling on-line. I order goods shipped to my door and when sold the postman picks them up. Any surplus I sell at the flea market on the weekend. Small items only. I make about thirty a year but save a lot more than when I made over a hundred a year. No employees, no government in my business other than sales tax, no permits, no appointments, and if I don't want to work next week I don't. I feel better, my health is better and my thinking is better. I would not trade my freedom for anything.
37 posted on 05/30/2005 7:28:56 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Flavius

Let's stop laying our problems at the feet of the Feds. We are supposed to be independent, making our own decisions and abiding by them.

To me, fault lies squarely in the hands of the real estate conglomerate.

Everyone is telling us that our home is not just a home, it's "an investment". Sell and you reap huge profits. So do the realtors, bankers, home improvement companies, etc.

And then there is "us". Greed, and two earner incomes, are destroying the family. Kids do not need a "village". They need a parent at home, a rock, someone to cling to. Families should feel secure in that home, not wondering how they will make the next payment on it, including taxes.


38 posted on 05/30/2005 7:29:35 AM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: Glenn
why would that be a good thing? seems to my tiny mind that a low fixed rate removes a lot of risk should inflation come around again -- and it will.

It makes no sense because Greenspan is jacking up short term rates, which is what ARMs are based on. Longer term rates like on the 10 year note are actually going down.

39 posted on 05/30/2005 7:31:32 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Flavius

-Barrel-chested Richard Hidalgo, who got divorced and could no longer make his monthly nut. And Mike O'Mara, a rawboned and crew-cut truck driver...-

Does being barrel-chested or rawboned and crew-cut have any possible significance to the story? Please stop the romance novel reporting!


40 posted on 05/30/2005 7:35:33 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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