Orrin Hatch: Nuclear Option Still on the Table

Human Events ^ | May 28, 2005 | Senator Orrin G. Hatch

[Antoninus]

You know, I used to think that the "nuclear option" was like a sword of Damocles hanging over the heads of the Democrats. I no longer believe that. I now think it's more like a carrot on a stick hovering just out of the reach of the conservative base of the GOP. It's meant for us, not for the Dems. Hence, it will continuously threatened but never used.

Third party is starting to look tempting in 2006. What's the point of continuing to vote for bozos like this?

[DoughtyOne]

Good suggestion. I'm not a real Senate historian but there must have been idiots before this. I don't know though. Perhaps our society is just deminished to the point that this is now possible without getting your hind end handed to you at the next election. In the past I'd suspect McCain would have been political toast by now.

[AFPhys]

I wish Hatch, and all the Republicans, would simply DISCUSS THE CONSTITUTION when talking about the "constitutional option". The case is easily made in, for example, Breaking the Rules: The Framers intended no more than a Senate majority to approve judges.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1404953/posts


This article contains a side-by-side comparison and the dates that the judicial appt's question was brought before the Constitutional Convention.
Excerpt:

On June 13, 1787, it was originally proposed that judges be “appointed by the national Legislature,” and that was rejected; Madison objected and made the alternative motion that appointments be made by the Senate, and that was at first approved. Madison specifically proposed that a “supermajority” be required for judicial appointments but this was rejected. On July 18, Nathaniel Ghorum made the alternative motion “that the Judges be appointed by the Executive with the advice & consent of the 2d branch,” (following on the practice in Massachusetts at that time). Finally, on Friday, September 7, 1787, the Convention approved the final Appointments Clause, making the president primary and the Senate (alone) secondary, with a role of “advice and consent.”

Obviously, this question is something that the Framers carefully considered. The Constitution and Supreme Court decisions are quite clear that only a majority is necessary for confirmation. Neither the filibuster, nor a supermajority vote, is part of the Advice and Consent role in the U.S. Constitution. Until the past four years, the Senate never did otherwise.

After discussion, the Framers of The Constitution clearly intended majority advise/consent approval of the Senate in this case to be sufficient, and wrote it that way, and ratified the document in this form.

Up until now (two years or so ago), that was always understood (recall the 52-47 approval of Justice Thomas instead of some successful filibuster) and it was the only provision ever voted on in the history of the country regarding this issue. If they wish to change that, the Senate and House must muster a 2/3 majority to start to AMEND the Constitution.

All Hatch needs to say is that the Framers explicitly considered requiring a supermajority approval for judges, and explicitly rejected that.

[AFPhys]

I really need to anticipate the "But the Constitution gives the Senate the right to make its own rules" argument, since I'm going to bed now ... That is answered "True in some ways. They can make their own rules on legislative process, but not when it comes to fulfilling their RESPONSIBILITY to the other branches.

NRO's McCarthy had asserted that filibustering judges did not violate the constitution last November.  He describes why his further study and reversal in  CONFESSING ERROR. His argument is circuitous enough that it appears to be a legal opinion rather than an easily accessible article, but he has clearly thought about this a great deal now, unlike his earlier writings - his words, not mine.

If you have a mind for legalese and enjoy a challenge, take a look at it.

Culmination of his argument is:

"...the power of the president to make appointments is explicitly spelled out in the constitution. By blocking it, the Senate is thus effectively denying the executive his indisputable authority." ...

"Filibusters of judicial nominees have always been a bad idea. They are also an unconstitutional idea. I used to think otherwise, but I have not heard an argument that overcomes the structure of the constitution. No matter who is president, nominees deserve an up-or-down vote."

If you put these together, the NO FILIBUSTER OF JUDGES argument is certain to win the day in an honest court.

[JCEccles]

I'm thinking that from the beginning we should have called this the "Democrat option," not the nuclear option, not the constitutional option. Democrats have used it repeatedly in the past and are world class hypocrites for feigning shock and dismay over Republican promises to invoke it in this very narrow and special circumstance.

Calling it the "Democrat option" or perhaps the Robert Byrd option would have brought the focus back to the Democrats and placed their hypocrisy under a very bright light. As it is, the Democrats have bamboozled many people into believing this is a new and underhanded tactic about to be sprung on the tender and precious Senate by a conspiring and evil Republican cabal.

[Luke21]

Glad to see somebody else thinks Kasich is Little Lord Fauntleroy. He's a RINO, weenie boy gun grabber.

[Txsleuth]

I noticed that from his first show, and was shocked to find out he was a Republican!

[strategofr]

LOL!

[strategofr]

LOL!

[Les_Miserables]

Good men? We have Hatch to thank for 1. Ginsberg 2. Souter 3. Talking the Republicans out of filibustering judges when they were in the minority. If they had the Rats would have pulled the "Byrd" option and this would be a settled matter. Hatch is either stupid or a skunk. In either case he is an empty suit.

[paulat]

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[gorush]

Talk is cheap Orrin ol' buddy!