dang fly on my screen...
Posted on 05/26/2005 9:45:58 PM PDT by Coleus
NEWARK, N.J. -- From the moment they held hands, pledged their love and signed documents in New York registering themselves as domestic partners, Kimberly Robinson and Jeanne LoCicero considered themselves a family.
And when they decided to have a baby through artificial insemination, the Essex County couple wanted the courts to consider them one as well.
On Wednesday, they got their wish. In a first-of-its kind ruling in New Jersey, a judge granted LoCicero full co-parenting rights to the baby Robinson bore, without having to go through lengthy adoption proceedings.
Thus, they will both be listed as parents on the birth certificate of little Vivian Ryan LoCicero, who was born on April 30, once the document is issued.
"We're thrilled," LoCicero, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey, said Thursday. "We always felt like a family; now it's nice to know the court thinks we are one, too."
"We are relieved that we won't have the uncertainty and fear about whether our daughter would be protected if something happened to one of us," added Robinson.
Robinson and LoCicero registered in New York as domestic partners in 2003 and got married in Canada last summer. They bought a house together and decided they wanted to have a child together. Robinson was impregnated using sperm from an anonymous donor.
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Maybe he does, but that medical process debases the natural process of reproductive biology. In fact, all medicine is a perversion of biology and any human manipulation is not natural.
Asking a male friend to donate sperm, and then using a turkey baster to impregnate your lesbian partner is deadly serious, but I hesitate to call it a "medical process."
It is a cruel process to create a child while pretending that fathers are optional.
Not so sure about that John. They may have designed it to be a real quandry.
I dated a girl in college that went to the dark side. Her girlfriend gave the ovum to be fertilized and the one I knew had them implanted.
It ain't pretty, but who do you disenfranchise?
So much for reality.
dang fly on my screen...
Yeah, I agree, but that's not the issue here. A Birth Certificate is a record of the blood parentage of a child, not a feel-good award for the baby's scrapbook. The names recorded on the birth certificate need to be the names of the two people who contributed their DNA to create the child, and no one else.
"thinking themselves wise, they became fools..."
Oh...don't apologize to me. I'm not bothered in the least. I just think your sensitivity to the subject is getting in the way. It happens to the best of us at times.
Wow. Talk about a negative outlook on life. You are confusing artifical insemination with IVF.
Many, many years ago, that was the case.
I just caution that we don't put all the blame for this change on the lesbian couples. In fact, I know of many heterosexual women with multiple Baby Daddies who act as if fathers are optional--all they need is a sperm sample. Getting to this point has been a process started by heterosexuals that don't respect the family, fathers or marriage.
When I gave birth a little over a year ago, I was reading through the materials they give you in the hospital and I was saddened by the fact that I could choose NOT to list anyone as the father or I could name anyone. Obviously, the person named has the right of contesting it and demanding a DNA test, etc. But it just goes to show that a Birth Certificate in this day in age means squat.
I personally feel that men are vulnerable on this issue (anyone can name you as the father of their child) and I think that women should face legal consequences for falsely naming someone as the father. If they just don't know, get a DNA test or put "unknown."
ooookayyyyy...
Here we go... the real reason behind "gay" marriage.
How is this charted in the form: Mother - Kimberly Robinson; father unknown. Where does the other chick's name go?
Oooookayyy, what?
You don't think human intervention interrupting natural process of death is unnatural?
We are are all born to circumstances we don't choose. I bet this child turn out fine. Better, I bet, than a hell of a lot of mother/father homes. Shouldn't you guys be celebrating the birth of a child to uphold the SS system. That's what I've been told here the past few months is our jobs as Americans.
Wait a second. My very good friend just married a woman who was pregnant, but not by him. His name appears on the birth certificate. Period. He will be the Father, not the sperm donor.
I think that is a very broad statement and I wouldn't entirely agree with it. If I saw you choking in a restaurant, would you mind if I interrupted your very natural death process to administer the Heimlich maneuver? If you were stung by a bee and stopped breathing, would you have a problem with someone administering CPR?
Technically, those are interruptions of a "natural" process.
Pardon me. The poster did not state which artificial process was employed by himself or by the lesbians.
Artificial insemination simply turns the creative mystical act (of sexual union that was designed to create life naturally) into a mechanical laboratory act for those who insist on ignoring the signs from nature that conceiving their own kids is not their destiny. And, yes, no one is killed by this process.
In vitro Fertilization adds to the synthetic nature of the conception by removing it even further from the natural act and the new life actually begins in a petri dish. And some of this tiny human's siblings are killed off in the IVF process.
When examined thoughtfully, both processes are attempts to ignore the will of the Creator and turn procreation into a mechanical act that invites people outside of the marital union into the sacramental act of creating a child. That is the official Catholic perspective - and a very sound one, too. And just think, if it were not for Artificial Inseminiation, there would be no IVF.
But not everyone believes artifical insemination is wrong. Some couples want children and have difficulty conceiving. I'm not sure what I would do if I were in their shoes.
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