Where Girls Marry Rapists for Honor - (...just when you think you've heard it all, there's THIS!)

LA TIMES.COM ^ | MAY 24, 2005 | Amberin Zaman

[CHARLITE]

Rojda was 13 when she was raped two years ago by a neighbor in this hardscrabble Kurdish province. In order to "cleanse" her honor, she was forced to marry her attacker in an unofficial Islamic-style ceremony. He later was convicted of raping a 7-year-old boy and has been imprisoned.

But Rojda's troubles were far from over, according to an account of her ordeal provided by her family and attorneys. She allegedly was raped again in March by her father-in-law, who she said demanded she prostitute herself to earn her keep. When Rojda refused, the relatives and attorneys charge, a group of men held her down and sliced off her nose.

Police raided their home after being tipped off by neighbors, who heard her cries. The men were briefly detained, then set free — though they have since been rearrested.

Rojda's story is not unusual: Human rights groups and Turkish officials say violence against women is widespread in Turkey, though statistics are hard to come by because so many attacks go unreported. They blame the violence on poverty, a lack of education and the patriarchal structure prevalent in much of Turkish society.

[TNdandelion]

Judaism pre-dates Islam. If you wanna see stonings, forcing rape victims to marry their rapists, honor killings, mass murder for God, etc...start in Genesis.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

How can we "remove" a billion 7th century people "from the face of the earth??"

Global warming ought to do it. Keep driving those SUV's. In fact, go out and buy another one and help the economy, too. If that doesn't work, try another tsunami.

[isthisnickcool]

Uh...our society.

Anyone that compares circumcision to female genital mutilation as if they are the same thing or even remotely close needs to educate themselves.

[Tx Angel]

Not at all. When a Christian acts in such a manner, it is in spite of biblical scriptures. When a Muslim acts in such a manner, it is because of Islamic scriptures.

Apples and Oranges. There is no comparison at all.

[dennisw]

Have you ever heard of a Christian honor killing being done by a westerner, living in a western country? If Christianity was the total cure, there should be no difference in percentages of Christians doing it, no matter where they lived.

Not sure what you're getting at. Bottom line is there are far far fewer Christian honor killings. Christian Arabs are the only Christians to do them, but nothing like the numbers of Muhammadans. So I blame the influence of Islam and the culture it spawns

[TNdandelion]

No doubt, FGM is more serious as far as physical damage goes, but don't try to tell me that the whole...."God told me to do it," or "But everyone I know does it," or my favorite, "I don't want my son to look different in the locker room," doesn't make the practice/ritual comparable. LOL

[TNdandelion]

I believe his point is that it is Western society that has changed the way people practice religion. If you were a christian living in a non-Western society, you probably wouldn't hold the same ideals.

I've met christian men from Africa that refused to speak to me or sit next to me because I was a married woman. I was a christian at the time and my husband was there with me, but their culture is different.

I'll never forget one mentioning that he was looking for a wife and basically asking where he could find a good christian woman to marry. He wasn't speaking with the idea of dating her and getting to know her...but he was interested in an "arrangement."

All I could think of was that he was in for a real suprise!

[isthisnickcool]

Some people might make comparisons as far as cause but effect is hardly comparable.

[ArmedNReady]

"They blame the violence on poverty, a lack of education and the patriarchal structure prevalent in much of Turkish society."

They sure are good at assigning blame in that part of the world. Has anyone in that region EVER accepted responsibility for ANYTHING?

[Kryptonite]

Making all of these people Christians is not going to automatically cure them of their cultural backwards beliefs.

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Yes, [honor killings are] part of their religion. What you stated earlier was that it was *created* in the Koran when it wasn't. The Koran borrowed it from the culture & made it part of the religion.

Logical then to conclude that Christianity would help slow the abhorrent practice of honor killings, by removing it from their religion, right?

[GoLightly]

Not sure what you're getting at. Bottom line is there are far far fewer Christian honor killings. Christian Arabs are the only Christians to do them, but nothing like the numbers of Muhammadans. So I blame the influence of Islam and the culture it spawns

The culture was key to the creation of the religion. Mo combined a whole bunch of different religions that were present in the area that he lived to justify everything his culture told him was the correct way to live. Christian Arabs will practice honor killings, because Christianity has not moved the ones that do them away from the cultural belief in them.

If you think Islam is the only thing that "normalizes" honor killing, western born Muslims should be doing them in similar percentages as middle easterners & as far as I know, the numbers are just not there. Instead, you'll find most, if not all cases of honor killing done in western countries being done by people imported from some backward country.

[GoLightly]

Logical then to conclude that Christianity would help slow the abhorrent practice of honor killings, by removing it from their religion, right?

I'd have to think so, but I don't know how strongly it is preached against by some of the versions of Christianity that are not uncommon to that area. Breaking through the paternalism that is the basis of the origins of the practice would be pretty tough to crack through. The culture will try to hold on to it, because being forced to give it up would be seen as an attack on the family structure that people have lived with for many, many generations.

[GoLightly]

Are you saying that spare the rod, spoil the child has been canceled?

[Tx Angel]

No, but perhaps misinterpreted. I never took that verse to imply that I should beat my children.

I don't take that verse "literally". I believe it means to lead and guide your children, and to discipline when needed. Discipline could take many forms. I believe God also wants us to reward our children for good behavior. References to the "rod" are found primarily in the Old Testament. In the New Testament, Christ preaches compassion, love, and understanding, as does Paul.

Besides, bible was written by man. God gave us conscience. Personally, that is what leads me -- not some preacher/priest.

We all know right from wrong.

[CHARLITE]

"They must be defeated, once and for all, using ANY means necessary. If they are allowed to continue to embark on worldwide violence, they will go stronger and more dangerous. And anything they say or promise must be taken with a grain of sand from the desert that surrounds them. Nothing they say or promise or agree to can be believed, and we must deal with them as we deal with a real clear and present enemy of our society, because that is what they represent to all of us."

I'm sorry to be so late in replying to your superb response. I agree with all that you say. What is worrying me immensely is the alliance which surely was formed long before 9/11 (and became stronger thereafter), between liberals & socialists in this country, aided by the liberal media, and the islamists who are already here, preparing for that "great day" when they will replace the United States of America with the Islamic States of America.

....and make no mistake. That is why they are here, and that is their agenda. Nevermind the "moderates." The radicals have them in a box.

Thank you for your superb thoughts.

Char

[jan in Colorado]

I think I'm going to be sick PING!

I guess nothing should surprise us anymore.

Thanks for the ping Charlite. I may try to reply tomorrow when I can write something that won't get me banned. The threads this week have been sickening and heartbreaking.Our Country is being destroyed from within by the MSM, the ACLU, CAIR, islam and the liberals . It is time to take action...NOW!

[Fred Nerks]

Just found this on http://www.hindutva.org/


Shape of things to come in Iraq (and the world over)

• The elections are held in Iraq
• Sunni clerics denounce elections
• Voters are killed on election day in Terror attacks
• But election results are announced
• Sunni turnout is less than 20%
• Sunni clerics reject results
• Shia dominated govt is formed
• Sunnis call for US troops to leave
• New Shia dominated govt calls for phased pullout of US forces
• US forces begin a phased pullout
• They re-locate outside the cities in isolated fortified camps
• Terrorists blow off Iraqi parliament, Presidential palace Prime Minister’s residence
• Terrorists assassinate Ministers, Parliamentarians
• A full scale civil war starts between the Sunni dominated insurgents and the new Shia and Kurd Iraqi military
• Iran sends in insurgents to back Shias
• Saudis, Syrians, Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Palestinians send in insurgents to back Sunnis
• Saudis and Kuwaitis call for US action to stop Iran from intensifying the Iraqi civil war
• US seizes the opportunity and bombs Iranian nuke facilities
• Iran tries to crash missiles into Israel and Europe
• Internal rebellion breaks out in Iran
• US special forces start operating inside Iran to topple Mullah regime
• Iranian/Hezbollah forces stage terrorist attacks in Israel and in the West
• US launches an air blitz of Iran followed by a land invasion and sets up a new regime
• The Shah of Iran returns to Iran as a private citizen
• Shia-Hezbollah led terror attacks across the West and Israel intensify
• Israel invades Lebanon to wipe out the Hezbollah threat
• Egypt/Syria threaten Israel with serious consequences.
• Terrorist attacks originating from Gaza intensify in Israel
• Israel warns Syria with military action
• Spectacular mega terror attack in Israel
• Israel declares Syria to be culpable and launches a swift land and air assault on Syria
• Syria appeals for Arab military action to save itself
• Egypt, Jordan and Saudis start military action against Israel
• Israel overruns Jordan to join up with US forces stationed in Iraq
• Israel occupies Damascus
• US forces enter Syria from Syrian-Iraqi border in the North, join up with Israeli military
• After the conquest of Syria, Israel turns on Egypt, annexes Sinai, crosses Suez Canal and threatens Cairo
• Mecca, Medina, Mena, Jiddah taken off the map thru IAF (Israel Air Force) nuke strikes
• Upheaval in the entire Arab world
• Western diplomats and businessmen attacked, kidnapped, beheaded
• Anti-American riots in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia.
• Musharraf and Yudhyono regimes under tremendous pressure to give up pro-US stance
• Musharraf assassinated by pro-Jihadi elements in Army due to his association with the US. The Jihadis last straw being his helping the Americans in finding Iran's nuke sites as a trade off for letting AQ Khan off the hook. But Mushy's gamble does not pay off, as he loses his job and life.
• Jihadi regime in Pakistan ups hostility with India
• Jihadis succeed in smuggling nuclear devices in the US and exploding them simultaneously
• US army takes over US administration, suspends constitution
• US military regime blockades the UN and declares it persona non-grata
• US enters into emergency war council with Russia and Britain
• The triple alliance starts nuclear bombing military targets across the Islamic world
• Pakistani nukes taken out in first strike
• Pakistan explodes some nuke devices on India
• Indian retaliation wipes off Pakistan off the map – death toll in South Asia is over half a billion
• Widespread Hindu-Muslim riots in India on the lines of the Gujarat riots of 2002. Muslim population decimated, Hindus and Christians also suffer heavy death toll.
• Nuclear campaign launched by the triple alliance intensifies as many cities in the Islamic world are taken off the map to wipe off the air forces.
• Seaports in the Islamic world crippled to decapitate the navies
• Radiation causes second wave of deaths. The toll in secondary deaths more than three billion
• More than half of the fatalities are Muslims.
• Almost the entire population in the Muslim world is decimated.
• China joins war against Islam, wipes off Muslim (Ughir) population in Eastern Turkestan
• Muslims in Europe launch a wave of terror attacks in European capitals
• Conditions in Europe very disturbed in a civil war like situation
• Right wing coups in France, Germany, Spain, Netherlands, Denmark. The new regimes join the triple alliance
• Widespread anti-Muslim riots in Europe aided by the militaries of those countries and NATO forces
• Domestic military action against Muslims in Europe intensifies as European militaries do combing operations to flush out Muslims
• The post-war Muslim population worldwide now accounts for only one percent of the global population concentrated mostly in Europe
• Military action ends, US, Britain and Russia announce reconstruction plan for the world
• Islam outlawed across the globe
• Residual Muslims worldwide embrace Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism. Judaism
• Humanity enters post-Islamic phase.
This write-up has been compiled based on analysis by Seymour Hersh and information at the following sites; Stratfor.org, Rand.org, Military.com

[nuconvert]

Do you both call for the deaths/elimination of 1.2 billion people and consider yourselves christians at the same time? Or people of any religious faith?

Unbelieveable!

Is this one of the billion you'd like us to kill?

[nuconvert]

Do you think Maj. Bieger would agree with you?

[martin gibson]

Peddle those lies to someone else...

thank you. golightly is an idiot...