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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question - when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs - based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures - including Tyrannosaurus Rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views - and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


This seems to be based on an article in the The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution . From there I got these pics:


Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum.


The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; kenham; museum
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To: js1138

This thread is getting entirely too civil for me.

You're a doo-doo head!


201 posted on 05/23/2005 11:49:26 AM PDT by Condorman (Changes aren't permanent, but change is.)
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To: Condorman

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!


202 posted on 05/23/2005 11:53:32 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo

None of those liiks like a kid's textbook.

What grade is your kid?


203 posted on 05/23/2005 11:56:38 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: TXnMA
My God is too big for such limitations!!!

Gen 1:31. My God has no need of BILLIONs of years - God spoke - and it was!

204 posted on 05/23/2005 11:56:43 AM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross. HIS love for us kept Him there.(||)
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To: Liberal Classic
The Hebrew scriptures in question do not contain detail about how the Creator implemented creation.

Very true. Nevertheless they present in a nutshell how an orderly universe came into being and sustains itself, the same universe science has yet to explain as a result of "natural" causes alone.

205 posted on 05/23/2005 11:57:03 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: exDemMom
Until you have that kind of knowledge and experience about what we do in the biological sciences, you really have no basis on which to call someone who correctly states "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology" a liar.

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Saying that someone is wrong is not the same as calling them a liar. A person can come to an incorrect conclusion innocently.

206 posted on 05/23/2005 12:03:43 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Liberal Classic; Fester Chugabrew

Lib,

This is what I believe. You may not but I do. You don’t have to believe it, I just want you to understand where I’m coming from.

Genesis 1,2 is the basis for Science instruction. From the Creation account we find 10 basic Science categories:

* Botany - the science of plants (v.11-13)
* Astronomy - the science of the heavens (v. 6-8; 14-19)
* Zoology - the science of animals, birds and fish (v. 20-25)
* Anatomy - the science of human structure (v. 26, 2:7)
* Physiology - the science of human function (v. 27, 28)
* Geology - the science of earth formations (v. 1, 9, 10)
* Chemistry - the science of elements (v. 3)
* Physics - the science of movement (v. 20)
* Meteorology - the science of weather (v. 7, 2:6)
* Oceanography - the science of the seas (v. 7, 20-23)

So you see...this is why I can say that the Bible is the basis for science. Again, it does not have information on acids but it is the reason why science exists.


207 posted on 05/23/2005 12:03:48 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
I wrote:
The Hebrew scriptures in question do not contain detail about how the Creator implemented creation.

To which you replied:
Very true.

Not according to Answers In Genesis. Science is false, and I am spreading falsehood.

208 posted on 05/23/2005 12:05:45 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: DannyTN
Chicken sandwiches represent convergent evolution.

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LOL! Well done.

209 posted on 05/23/2005 12:07:26 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: wallcrawlr

Deoxyribonucleic acid is the DNA molecule.


210 posted on 05/23/2005 12:15:49 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Don't forget When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth. Victoria Vetri was a major babe too.
211 posted on 05/23/2005 12:25:21 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Liberal Classic

acids in any form ;-)


212 posted on 05/23/2005 12:26:38 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: trisham
Saying that someone is wrong is not the same as calling them a liar. A person can come to an incorrect conclusion innocently.

And when they post the same mutilated quotation thrice?

213 posted on 05/23/2005 12:32:08 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ColoCdn
Our lack of mutual civility usually results from not being able to see inside the other group, and as a result, we don't offer them the benefit of the doubt.

On the contrary, we all see the obvious, even here. In fact, in threads on other subjects, most crevo posters are often on the same side and seem to be able to use common sense, facts, reason, and logic to reach mutually agreeable conclusions. Civility often fails here precisely because such as approach using the same applied reason and logic is rejected by one side.

214 posted on 05/23/2005 12:37:13 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology." Who cares! He's wrong!

And how are you so certain that he's wrong? Have you studied biology? Taken the time to get a Ph.D. (as I have), thereby demonstrating that you have a good understanding of the basic science as it stands now? Have you ever undertaken a research project aimed at understanding the differences between two similar species, and then, furthermore, tried to carry out the project while handicapping yourself by refusing to look at any research that touches on the evolutionary aspects of the differences?

Until you have that kind of knowledge and experience about what we do in the biological sciences, you really have no basis on which to call someone who correctly states "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology" a liar.

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Saying that someone is wrong is not the same as calling them a liar. A person can come to an incorrect conclusion innocently.

And when they post the same mutilated quotation thrice?

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Above is the original post, with the response to which I posted.

I regret that I have no idea how your question applies to the issue.

215 posted on 05/23/2005 12:38:38 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Liberal Classic
Not according to Answers In Genesis. Science is false . . .

That's a mighty wide brush yer paintin' with, pardner.

216 posted on 05/23/2005 12:39:26 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: balrog666

What......?

Didn't you see or participate in any of the Schiavo posts?It's not just a crevo thing. Many of the Terri supporters were atheists, for instance.

Thanks for playing. Next.


217 posted on 05/23/2005 12:44:41 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ColoCdn
Look up "most" next time you see a dictionary.

Or repeat the third grade.

218 posted on 05/23/2005 12:59:05 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: colorado tanker
This One?

Nice teeth.

219 posted on 05/23/2005 1:01:33 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ColoCdn
There is no actual bozo filter on FR, as there is at some sites. However, the tendency to just skip the posts of someone whom you find painful to read will do the same job. Furniture-chewing is a term more often reserved for actors who give too much of themselves too much of the time. Excess dramatics.
220 posted on 05/23/2005 1:09:38 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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