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Frist Said to Have 'Nuclear Option' Votes
NewsMax ^ | 5/22/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/22/2005 9:36:11 AM PDT by wagglebee

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist reportedly has the votes to enforce the so-called "nuclear option" against judicial filibusters instigated by Democrats, despite claims to the contrary by Minority Leader Harry Reid.

After a Thursday meeting with Senate Democrats, Reid boasted he was ready for the coming battle. "It was one of the most pleasant experiences of my entire life," he told reporters. "We walked out of there so united. We talked about what's going to happen after Tuesday," when the filibuster showdown is expected to come to head.

But according to New York Times columnist David Brooks, Reid was blowing smoke.

"Harry Reid, told a small group of us Friday he was cautiously optimistic that he had the votes to defeat the nuclear option, but I think he's wrong," Brooks said Sunday.

"John McCain, Lincoln Chafee, John Warner and maybe Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe will vote against the nuclear option, but none of the other Republicans are likely to."

"Bill Frist has the votes," he predicted.

Brooks also reports that attempts by Senate moderates to hammer out a deal to avoid the filibuster showdown have collapsed.

"The talks stalled. Joe Lieberman didn't bother to attend the final meeting. Positions will probably harden over the weekend, making a deal less likely tomorrow," he said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; billfrist; constitutionaloption; democratnukereaction; democrats; execfilibusterbuster; filibuster; gop; judicialnominees; nuclearoption; reidsnuclearreaction; rinos; senate; senaterules; ussenate
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To: Cboldt
What will the DEMs win if cloture passes? Only the retention of the same power they have today, and only at the expense of voting on Owen.

That is true and we'd have to go thru this same nonsense on every other nominee, but I believe that the Rats will vote against cloture to force Frist to change the rule thus making it an issue. They really running short of issues....imho.

101 posted on 05/22/2005 11:17:52 AM PDT by ShowMeMom
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To: Radix

what is he going to say when he runs for president? he won't be able to say anything about appointing judges who will reverse the current trends on the courts - he can't, if when given an opportunity to do just that, he voted the other way. he has to give up that issue totally in his presidential bid. and he will have to explain why any person of faith is automatically excluded from the federal bench, why he helped to make that policy possible. he isn't going to be able to dodge that by just talking about some preserving archane senate rules.


102 posted on 05/22/2005 11:21:26 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

McCain may have his system in place here in Arizona, but he is finished nationally. Only places where Dims and Indy's can crossover would make this drek competitive. He should re-register as a Democrat, because that's what he is.


103 posted on 05/22/2005 11:24:22 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: ShowMeMom

Brit Hume has predicted the opposite last week - said if the Dems don't have to votes to sustain the fillibuster, they will just let these judges through to the floor for the full senate vote. this way, they will come back and be able to use the fillibuster again to stop a SCOTUS nominee against whom they will have a scorched earth media campaign to smear.


104 posted on 05/22/2005 11:26:14 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: kittymyrib

I just received a call from the RNC - and I told them I'd be happy to donate when the GOP starts acting like the majority party. Why should we donate to and work for people who get to DC and immediately decide that deep down inside, they're Democrats?

We had a local GOP pol here who just got defeated because once he got to the City Council, he discovered his "inner liberal." And needless to say, when he was up for reelection, Republicans stayed home in droves. Will they never learn?


105 posted on 05/22/2005 11:28:49 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

"They" being the pols, of course. I think GOPers are already learning.


106 posted on 05/22/2005 11:29:28 AM PDT by livius
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To: oceanview
I'm a Brit Hume groupie and I heard him predict that. But this time I don't agree. If they get cloture now, the Nuke option will still be there when SCOTUS nominees come up and the Pubs will have a better field of candidates to choose those nominees from, Like Janice Rogers Brown. I think the Rats have lost this battle and can only salvage the issue.
107 posted on 05/22/2005 11:32:01 AM PDT by ShowMeMom
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To: wagglebee

I agree with you about McCain's service to our military.

He was honorable, in every way.

I respect the way he votes on many conservative issues, but he's just too much of a wild card to ever --- and I mean EVER --- get my support.


108 posted on 05/22/2005 11:32:05 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Joe Bonforte

It all depends upon which side's base holds. Anderson was very liberal, and there were a lot of angry Ted Kennedy supporters who would not vote for Carter under any circumstances. The media tried to tell us that our side was made up of Gerald Ford Republicans who wouldn't vote for a nutty extremist like Reagan. They were dead wrong.

In 1992, our coalition collapsed because Perot appealed to veterans and white males at least as well as Bush did. Bush was left with the Christians and little else. Hence Clinton was elected, running as a "New Democrat" elected by "old liberals."

McCain as a third party candidate would not have the issues that could pull our people away from the GOP nominee, mainly borders and activist judges. In fact, we would be on fire against him because of this vote. Most of here in AZ know what a scoundrel he is, but he doesn't need conservative support to win. He gets all those Dims and Indy's to vote for him and the Democrats cooperate by not even running a race. They love the guy and know he's one of them.

I vote Libertarian against McCain every time. Does me a lot of good.


109 posted on 05/22/2005 11:32:55 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: wagglebee
After a Thursday meeting with Senate Democrats, Reid boasted he was ready for the coming battle. "It was one of the most pleasant experiences of my entire life," he told reporters. "We walked out of there so united...."

NOT! He REALLY means 'It was one of the most UNPLEASANT experiences in his entire life' and 'they walked out COMPLETELTY disjointed, discombobulated, twitter-pated, and flummoxed.' How telling!
110 posted on 05/22/2005 11:33:07 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: ShowMeMom
I believe that the Rats will vote against cloture to force Frist to change the rule thus making it an issue. They really running short of issues.

I hope you are right. I gave my guess as to odds of certain outcomes a few days ago ...

Posted by Cboldt to Semper Paratus - 05/19/2005 9:31:57 AM EDT · 144 of 3,737

I put the odds at 0% that the Owen nomination will proceeed to anything but an up or down vote.

I put the odds at 50% that the DEMs will provide unanimous consent (no nuclear trigger) to take the vote on the nomination of Owen.

If the nuclear trigger is pulled (by the DEMs, who control it), I put the odds at less than 10% that the Senate will agree to let a minority of Senators table/scuttle/kill nominees as a matter of routine. I.e., there is a greater than 90% chance the nuclear option would be successfully implemented.

I put odds at 100% that DEM and GOP Senators will trade votes on nominees and all sorts of other stuff. They do that all the time, now. There is no way to stop it.


111 posted on 05/22/2005 11:33:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: csvset

I already consider the RINOs goats - Judas' goats.

It is not Frist's fault that the hand that the American people dealt him to play includes so many RINOs - but it seems that their numbers are decreasing - if he doesn't have the votes this session, I bet he has them next session.


112 posted on 05/22/2005 11:35:51 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: oceanview

I certainly hope so. McCain is a disaster. He is no friend of Bush. He tries to undermine everything this administration tries to do. McCain is playing to his media friends and thinks he can swing enough support to win Presidential support. I think he is a loser waiting to happen again and again and again.


113 posted on 05/22/2005 11:36:56 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: Cboldt
Your scenario is probably based much more on logic than is mine. Mine is predicated on the firm belief that the Rats are really stupid and let themselves be maneuvered into this corner by being out witted by First, Bush and Rove.
114 posted on 05/22/2005 11:41:58 AM PDT by ShowMeMom
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To: Luke21
Nonsense. Bush lost in 1992 because he lost the social conservatives. Thats why Pat ran against him. Bush ran in 1988 as Reagan Part II, and he governed as Ford Part II.

As for McCrazy. You can judge a politician by his friends. The Media and liberals love McCain and Hate repeat Hate Delay and GWB. Guess why?

Why did Kerry offer McCrazy the VP slot if he is such a good Republican?

Why does a Democratic operative like Matthews worship McCrazy & has him on his show 50 times a year?

McCrazy should just turn Democrat like Jeffords.
115 posted on 05/22/2005 11:42:03 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Luke21
Nonsense. Bush lost in 1992 because he lost the social conservatives. Thats why Pat ran against him. Bush ran in 1988 as Reagan Part II, and he governed as Ford Part II.

As for McCrazy. You can judge a politician by his friends. The Media and liberals love McCain and Hate repeat Hate Delay and GWB. Guess why?

Why did Kerry offer McCrazy the VP slot if he is such a good Republican?

Why does a Democratic operative like Matthews worship McCrazy & has him on his show 50 times a year?

McCrazy should just turn Democrat like Jeffords.
116 posted on 05/22/2005 11:42:03 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: ShowMeMom
Your scenario is probably based much more on logic than is mine.

Heheheh. I doubt it. Just wild guesses. The contention I was responding to was a general contention of sell-out. I was aiming to illustrate that "sellout" can have various forms and appear at varius places in the voting process.

117 posted on 05/22/2005 11:48:23 AM PDT by Cboldt
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Just thinking out loud a little bit. If the cloture motion passes, I can imagine the reaction being, "Hooray! Frist won! He pulled the trigger on the nuclear option and killed the filibuster! Hooray!"

.. sigh ..

118 posted on 05/22/2005 11:53:13 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: MinuteGal

Let him. It would hurt the Dem nominee more.


119 posted on 05/22/2005 11:54:38 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Cboldt

Well, whatever, Tuesday is going to be a very interesting day on Cspan2 and in FR. I'm stocking up on junk food and taking the phone off the hook!!


120 posted on 05/22/2005 11:54:59 AM PDT by ShowMeMom
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