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Ali Imam/Reuters
Pakistani Muslims in Peshawar protest a report, since retracted by Newsweek, that American interrogators desecrated a Koran.

1 posted on 05/21/2005 9:39:08 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
DUH! Bump!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:15 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: neverdem

I wish the entire staff of the NYT would take extra strength Tylenol.


3 posted on 05/21/2005 9:44:21 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: neverdem

This [ http://www.pamelashanteau.com/pics/Temporary_tattoo_leopard_spots.jpg ] makes as much sense as the media reinventing itself as trustworty.


4 posted on 05/21/2005 9:45:59 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Fun Fact: Did you know that NEWSWEEK has killed more people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile?)
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To: neverdem
Oh Please. In the Tylenol case it was a criminal whacko.

At the NY Times it's company policy.

5 posted on 05/21/2005 9:47:17 PM PDT by lawnguy (But we both know I'm training to be a cage fighter.)
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To: neverdem

That "tell the truth" thing will never fly with the MSM. They'd rather eat poisoned Tylenol than tell the truth about their RAT puppet masters.


6 posted on 05/21/2005 9:59:50 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: neverdem

Well, if they like this comparison, perhaps the first thing the MSM should do, is stop intentionally putting poison (bias, lies, etc) in their own product. Just a helpful auggestion.

It is impossible for a news organization to by unbiased, but the MSM is hardly interested in making even the slightest attempt. The media has one goal, to bring down George Bush and/or tarnish his legacy in any way they can.


8 posted on 05/21/2005 10:02:50 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton)
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To: neverdem
"We're a victim of coicumstances!"
- NY Times
9 posted on 05/21/2005 10:03:55 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: neverdem
self-interested, careerist and unprofessional ... That's not how I see the media. I see the media as LIBERAL. Why didn't the NY Times include this?
10 posted on 05/21/2005 10:04:18 PM PDT by mowkeka (They aren't "insurgents." They're terrorists.)
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To: neverdem
They still don't get it ... it's not the "anonymous sourcing"

It's the bogus reporting and reporters that obviously have an agenda

12 posted on 05/21/2005 10:12:48 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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To: neverdem
"With so many media players and gatekeepers today...

Gatekeepers- That would be us.

13 posted on 05/21/2005 10:13:24 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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The NY Slimes calls themselves middle of the road.....


14 posted on 05/21/2005 10:15:28 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (""Some Run, Some Fight, but I win they lose!!")
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15 posted on 05/21/2005 10:16:43 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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"Reassuring the public that these products are dependable, in turn, has proved frustratingly elusive."

It's very difficult to trust members of an institution that lie and lie and lie, then say they really don't have to answer to anyone, then lie some more, then play word games instead of being honest.

I once had an ambition to be a journalist--even had my first job in journalism. When I saw what it was all about--gotcha--I changed fields of employment. Do not at all regret not looking back, and, I admit, look with disdain at those journalists who claim to speak for my right to know when all they're trying to do is perpetuate more untruth while protecting their backsides.

I'd say more, but wife says they need the pulpit back at the church.


18 posted on 05/21/2005 10:24:48 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: neverdem
Conceited Olds Media uses yet another poll to manufacture "news" so it can talk about itself.


                                       Olds Media sits and spins when the wheels come off.
19 posted on 05/21/2005 10:25:20 PM PDT by Milhous
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Turns out that the Leftist media IS the poison in the "Tylenol bottles" America has been opening. Time to pull a lot of advertising off the MSM shelves....


20 posted on 05/21/2005 10:26:10 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: neverdem
And there is such relentless attacking of the press, and people hear that journalists lie, that it harms credibility.

Say - that wouldn't be what those journalists have been trying to do to Bush for the past five years, would it now? Hmm?

It isn't as if only one little boy is telling the Times that they're wearing no clothing anymore. It's the whole crowd, and they're turning away in disgust, and the Times just doesn't have a clue.

22 posted on 05/21/2005 10:27:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem
The Stone Age Press is the only commodity in the World that finds it necessary to insult 60% of its customers.

Pray for W and Our Troops

24 posted on 05/21/2005 10:36:26 PM PDT by bray (Pray for Iraq's Freedom from Mohammad)
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To: neverdem
The funny thing is that they think we've got amazingly short attention spans and memories, and while I suppose the vast majority of Americans do, there are some of us who remember case after case of, not just liberal bias and spin in reporting the news, but cases of outright lies and fabrications to try to convince the public of something.

There was the infamous Time magazine article of "Death by Gun," where the majority of deaths were criminal on criminal, and the second greatest were the result of suicide. But Time made it out to be a complete tragedy or epic proportions. And when people complained about the bias in the article, Time admitted that gun control was too important an issue for them to be fair, and that Time was going to do all it could to promote strong gun control laws. Then, of course, there was the NBC Dateline story of the exploding pickup truck gas tanks... And when they couldn't get them to explode, they ("NBC News") rigged them with incindiary devices. And then there was the CNN news report on how much more "deadly" the AR-15 is than a standard rifle (firing the exact same cartridge) using a frangible target... Then it turns out that the "sharpshooter" missed the target completely with the bolt action rifle, explaining why there was no movement... Oopsie! And of course, anytime any of the alphabet networks would mention semiautomatic firearms, they would accompany the story with graphics of machinegun fire. And it's not just limited to national media, and in many cases, local media is even worse and more shameless. There's a KC reporterette named Bev Chapman, who came out to interview people the night before the Brady Bill was to be voted on... And using very clever editing, they managed to get me to say that I thought the Brady Bill would be an OK thing, surprising the hell out of me and everyone I knew. That was also the last time I watched the local news: How many years has it been? But the b***h is still reporting on the news.

For the most part, I hold the vast majority of reporters and "journalists" with contempt.

Mark

26 posted on 05/21/2005 11:05:13 PM PDT by MarkL (I've got a fever, and the only prescription is MORE COWBELL!!!)
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To: neverdem
As always, the NYT saved the best for last:
Analysts say that the political partisans who are most likely to be critical of the press are also among the most reliable and hungry consumers of the news.

Maybe therein is a silver lining: if the people who distrust you the most are also many of your most devoted customers, perhaps survival is assured. They have accepted flaws as part of the bargain of following the news.

The arrogance is astonishing.
27 posted on 05/21/2005 11:19:46 PM PDT by reformed_democrat
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To: neverdem; Blurblogger; WOSG; Coop; Common Tator; commish; Congressman Billybob; Travis McGee; ...
"though journalists like to think of themselves as guardians of the public trust, too, opinion polls for at least two decades have shown declining faith in print and television news."

Here's the thing, the Public is *right* to mistrust the currently Corrupt Old Media.

In 1995, the NY Times ran an editorial attacking Republican Senators for daring to use procedural tricks to delay President Clinton's appointees from getting up or down confirmation votes in the Senate. For the NY Times, these shenanigans were supposedly unbecoming of Senators and unfair to the majority of the Senate, the Public, and the appointees themselves.

In 2005, the NY Times ran an editorial PRAISING the use of Democratic Party Senate procedures (e.g. the filibuster) to stall President Bush's appointee votes.

In 1999, War against Christian Serbia, an ally of the U.S. since 1917, was PRAISED by the NY Times. In 2003, War against Islamist Iraq, a nation harboring known terrorists such as Abu Nidal, in violation of 17 UN resolutions, in violation of its 1991 Gulf War Surrender Treaty, whose secret agents were *convicted* by U.S. courts and imprisoned in the U.S. for their involvement in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and a nation that was physically shooting anti-aircraft cannon-fire and anti-aircraft missiles at U.S. aircraft patrolling legal "no-fly" zones...was deemed by the NY Times to be bad.

In fact, pick an issue that has seen both Democratic and Republican Administrations take on, and you'll see the NY Times praising the Democrats and bashing Republicans for the same behavior.

Maureen Dowd of the NY Times went so far as to FABRICATE a quote from President Bush (via creative use of elipses "...") in order to falsely claim that he had somehow "lied."

Reporters *fabricated* "boos" from a crowd at a Bush rally. Reporters fabricated quotes from a fake Navy Seal. Reporters got busted for quoting their pet Greg Packer. Reporters got busted for making up anonymous sources, fabricating what sources said, and leaking classified material.

CBS, Mary Mapes, and Dan Rather got busted for fabricating military orders and fake Bush National Guard documents.

Countless reporters have been busted for fabricating entire stories...sometimes not even attending the events on which they reported.

At every turn, the Corrupt Old Media has lied, obfuscated, taken positions of convenience based upon ideology and who happens to be in power at the time, and gotten caught.

Richard Jewell didn't set off a bomb in Atlanta. Hatfill didn't mail anthrax to the Senate. The Washington Snipers weren't angry White Men in a white van. President Bush didn't lie. Secretary Rumsfeld didn't need to resign. Campaign Finance Reform didn't get the money out of politics. Kofi Annan wasn't innoncent of the Oil-For-Food Scandal at the UN.

These aren't isolated events. At one point during the California Recall, the LA Times ran a poll showing Lt. Governor Bustamante with a COMMANDING lead over Arnold Schwarzenegger...it was a lie.

The LA Times put 18 more reporters on the trail of so-called "groping victims" of Arnold than it did on the Oil For Food investigation, California Governor Davis' kickback power-schemes, the anthrax attacks, and President Chirac's French corruption.

The Seattle Times ran a pro-Kerry endorsement editorial that said to IGNORE WHAT SENATOR KERRY SAID, but vote for him anyway!

People, the Corrupt Old Media has gotten so far out of line that the American people now know to distrust what they say. Our news media has discredited itself not only in a large, broad way, but it has done so repeatedly and so overtly that the Public has established it as a correct fact.

...And that's one of many reasons why we on the other side keep winning. When the press sides against us, the American Public reactively and correctly sides with us against the news media.

The press squandered its decades of American goodwill. Its teflon finally wore off...and it did so just at the very moment in time where we were establishing an entirely new, faster, more efficient way to broadcast news ourselves.

Life is good.

28 posted on 05/21/2005 11:20:40 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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