Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro
Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.
COOKTOPS:
On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.
On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.
On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.
The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.
OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.
These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.
After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.
WARMING DRAWERS:
The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.
If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.
BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:
The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)
Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.
On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.
On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).
After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.
Yet the very core of this article is very detailed instructions on how to operate a stove on the Sabbath so as to not break any Jewish law. NO ONE can live up the the standard that G-d sets. Have you?
You obviously skipped over the verse I read to you. It says in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 says, "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. It is not in heaven, that you should say, `Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, `Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it."
G-d didn't make the Torah impossible to keep. The Talmudic hedge around the Torah has made it an unbearable burden at times, which Yeshua frequently argued with the Pharisees about. But, the Written Torah itself is pretty simple, really and anyone who claims, like Justin Martyr, that G-d purposefully made Torah too difficult to keep to frustrate Jews into accepting Yeshua distort scripture and try make G-d a liar.
No, I read it. If it was possible to keep all of G-d's laws, then sacrifice and repentance would never be necessary.
I also read the following verses:
15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
19 This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the LORD your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the LORD is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
In verse 16 G-d tells us FIRST to love Him, second to walk in His ways, and then to follow His commands and laws. The following passages tell of the consequences. A very similar passage is found in the book of Joshua and probably other books of the Bible.
I ask again, have you or anyone you know of beeen able to keep ALL of G-d's laws?
P.S. I am not saying G-d is a liar. He also made laws about what you had to do when you broke another law in order to get right with Him again. When you have fufilled those requirements then your past sins are erased forever and you are again without sin.... until the next time you break one of His laws.
One of my favorite verses in the Tanakh. Thanks for posting it.
actually no. many laws are negative commands which by the very nature of not doing these things one does not sin. quite a few others, Temple related services and worship apply only when the Temple service is active (it should be restored speedily). others are only applicable in the land of Israel itself. the foundation of your question seems to be asking, if you cant keep all why keep any? i could be wrong about that. however, if that is the point, using the text that you quote one could only conclude that the more laws one keeps the more one approaches what G-d wants whereas ignoring them entirely places one in the category of death and evil. it is interesting that i had quoted the same Deut. that you did a few posts earlier. one of the "ethical" texts in the Mishna which doesnt teach laws per se but how one should live says this:
He [Rabbi Tarfon] used to say, it is not upon you to complete the task, but you are not free to idle from it. If you have learned much Torah, you will be given much reward. And faithful is your Employer that He will reward you for your labor. And know that the reward of the righteous will be in the World to Come." http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter2-21.html
do as much as you can as well as you can. your loyalty and intent matters. those who are going up in observance are rewarded. those who do little when they are capable of more will have to account for their behavior.
There is some interesting information here. Is it odd? IT is not for me to say- I am not Jewish.
It sure pisses me off when someone bad mouths my deepest held beliefs.
Okay, I will admit to omitting it by accident. It was just chance that I chose Matthew's account. But in my life, there is one God. And the English Bible begins: "In the beginning, God....." I know what comes after, but that part is the foundation of my philosphy of life. I look forward to seeing the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and to seeing the unbelieving stares of those who don't believe I have a chance at that because I follow the Way. One Jew, when asked what he would do if Messiah came today, said he would respectfully ask, "Sir is this your first visit or your second?" I believe it would be the second, but then I am just one of the wild branches grafted in.
No, but I don't teach what is not in the Bible, Tanakh and Brit Chadasha. Traditions are nice, but who is to say what tradition is the correct one? The Roman heresy is a good example.
That's not what I was doing - I reserve my denouncing energy for that death-cult Mohammadism.
This entire thread is about the silliness of the path to Heaven being paved with detailed instruction on kitchen-appliance operation. Sometimes clergying is like lawyering - you keep piling on rules, regulations and decisions until the average malleable person thinks he has no choice but to defer to the "smart people" to decide every aspect of their lives.
Devarim 30:9ff
"9 "Then the LORD your God will prosper you abundantly in all the work of your hand, in the offspring of your body and in the offspring of your cattle and in the produce of your ground, for the LORD will again rejoice over you for good, just as He rejoiced over your fathers;
10 if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law, if you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.
11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
12 "It is not in heaven, that you should say, 'Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
13 "Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, 'Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
14 "But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.
15 "See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
17 "But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,
18 I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
20 by loving the LORD your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them."
He instructed them to keep the commandments written in the Law He had given them, and then commanded them to "love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments" and told them that blessings would follow. Context is everything. Our ladies dress with great modesty, cover their heads in worship and prayer, and are a wonderful addition to the singing of psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs.
The Law was given as a tutor to prepare His people for the advent of Grace. It was to teach the discipline necessary for serving Him with gladness as a holy priesthood of believers.
Personally, I haven't either come close to following every rule in the Torah.
However, Jewish belief is that there is, at all times, at least one person who does live up to the standard God sets. When the time for the Messiah is here, that person will step forward. If that person dies, then there is another person up to God's standards, available, if there is need.
As for the rest of us, that's up to God. But there's no use worrying about it until we die.
That I do believe.
(Wondering if you overlooked this message.)
It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, the last Lubavitch rebbe managed to. I have no way to know for certain, however.
Interestingly Richard Finemann (Physicist) was asked these questions by some Jewish students. They were trying to get around the concept of doing "work" and Finemann showed them that work is really the result of force causing mass to move. Any switch of an electric control mechinism can in fact cause machines to do work. But the prohibition against work included haveing others do work at your behest, thus Jews cannot cause machines to be turned on or off, or request that non-Jewish servants carry the load for the sabbath.
IMO having elevators or ovens operate on timers violates the rule because when you set the timer in motion, you knew you were intending to have the action occur on the sabbath. Likewise when you step into an elevator going up your mass causes the motor to do more work than if you did not ride. (Going down should be okay, since the motor in theory does not "work" to lower a mass.) But living in a highrise in Israel may be justification enough for the moving elevator. Climbing to a height could be enough to cause injury or death so this may be the real justification.
This was in Finemanns autobiography, IIRC Surely You're Joking Mr. Finemann. and later Finemann read the Talmud discussion and was pleased to see the Rabbi's opinion meshed with his own.
Interesting, wall building is exactly why some scholars believe the prohibition of cooking the kid in its mothers milk came from.
It seems that a different sect followed this practice on one of their feast days. Judaism set out to build a wall against this practice. Hence the law. Now there may be other evidence that this was also better for digestion, but the finding of this other sect and there practice in the Dead Sea Scrolls indicates that differentiation was also a primary importance. (This law always had more of a puzzlement because the other kosher laws could more easily be tied to good health and nutrition. Shellfish and pork were the cause of poorly understood disease for example.)
Some of the Pharisees left but others stayed and while they may not have shouted for the death of jesus, they did not stop it either. I would never stoop to claim that all Jews wanted Jesus put to death.
Yes, it was the Victorian era uptightness that brought about the condemnation of the use of alcohol. It was further ingrained by preachers who were ignorant of what the bible says. However, I fully understand that the only time the Bible condemns the consumption of alcohol is when it results in drunkenness or causes you to veer away from G-d and toward sin.
My pastor, Southern Baptist, does not condemn anyone who wants to have a beer after work or a bit of wine with dinner as long as it done in moderation and it does not cause a brother to stumble. That said, it is his position to urge sobriety because we all know how much harm has been done by people under the influence of alcohol. This is a position I also hold. And if it pleases you, then I condemn those who look down their noses at a fellow Christian who does drink in moderation.
Let us stop focusing on where we came from and where we are going. When we all get to heaven, let us all give unending praise to G-d. Shoot, let us all do it now!
Every knee shall bow and every tonuge confess that You are Lord of all!
Can we agree on that much, at least?
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