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Frigidaire Ovens With the Sabbath Mode Feature (G*d is in my oven)
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Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro

Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.

COOKTOPS:

On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.

On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.

On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.

The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.

OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.

These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.

After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.

WARMING DRAWERS:

The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.

If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.

BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.


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To: lifelongsoldier

You are quoting Mat 22:37, which is a quote by Jesus of the Shema (Deut 6:4-8). Any Jew, certainly the Pharisees, understood this. It is the very basis of Judaism.. of the Torah. The part you quote cannot stand alone without the rest. As a matter of fact, the whole reason of Jesus' discourse is muted if it is not included. He sought to show that Israel's belief in ONE God with all the heart, mind, etc.. was only valid in tandem with right treatment of their fellow man.

Furthermore this account in Matthew is paralleled in Mark 12:28-30...

28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

It is the same instance as recorded by another writer. In any case, it is the same passage of scripture. To leave off the First part skews the meaning and intent, period.


301 posted on 05/17/2005 10:10:05 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Hank Rearden
I wonder what the Jerusalem hospitals' ER procedures are on the Sabbath? Can the emergency doctors do anything? Do ambulances even pull up to the doors, or is that considered "work"?

Don't be silly. Saving a life on Shabbat is not only allowed, it's commanded.

302 posted on 05/17/2005 10:12:42 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: AppyPappy

Sort of like the no meat on Fridays rule created by bored priests?


303 posted on 05/17/2005 10:13:17 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: lifelongsoldier
What is the rationale behind allowing you to move every stick of furniture in your house on the Sabbath, but not allowing you to go outside the house with a handkerchief in your pocket?

The rule about 'not carrying' is quite simple. You may not carry items from the private domain into the public and vice versa.

304 posted on 05/17/2005 10:14:59 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Modernman

My understanding is that when electricity first made its appearance there was a big debate as to whether it could be manipulated on the Sabbath. Orthodox Rabbis decided it could not for spiritual rather than technical reasons.

I'm not so sure this ruling will last for the next 25 years. Some think it is an error.


305 posted on 05/17/2005 10:15:41 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: cyborg

Not working on the Sabbath is in the Torah. It's pretty clear.


306 posted on 05/17/2005 10:15:58 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Bella_Bru

Now, now.. turn the other cheek.

Oh wait.. that's ours.


307 posted on 05/17/2005 10:16:31 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Bella_Bru

but what is or isn't considered "work" comes from the Talmud, not the Torah.


308 posted on 05/17/2005 10:17:38 PM PDT by ambrose (NEWSWEAK LIED .... AND PEOPLE DIED)
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To: Liberal Classic
This is no crazier than killing a perfectly good tree, bringing into the living room, stick it into a bucket of water and string it with lightbulbs, only to have it be a fire and electrocution hazard, and shed needles everywhere to boot.

Or celebrating the resurrection of the most holy chocolate bunny in spring.

309 posted on 05/17/2005 10:23:00 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (In Mercuristan, such questions are not tolerated.)
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To: Rodney King

"Legalistic" is often used in the derrogatory sense about Judaism.

Why?

God gave Jews a set of very complex and detailed laws to live by. This was a gift and an incredible advancement of civilization. Could we live today without laws? Judaism was (and is) not just a religion or set of beliefs which come into play at set moments of the calendar or in times of trouble. Judaism is a way of life to those that practice it. As such, laws are a necessity.

From the beginning Judaism had laws dealing with every facet of life and death. While the pagans were still sacrificing their children to gods of stone, Jewish law differentiated between murder and manslaughter.

The US system is based on the Mosiac laws. Just ask Judge Roy Moore his opinion of the "legalistic" Ten Commandments.


310 posted on 05/17/2005 10:36:20 PM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: MarkL
Yes, I've been educated!

I remember reading or being told about some Sabbath friendly telephones that didn't have buttons for dialing, but had holes instead. The person dialing the phone would insert a pencil or similar object into the numbered hole which would interrupt a light beam. I thought that was very interesting.

311 posted on 05/18/2005 4:23:48 AM PDT by whd23
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To: safisoft

I'll give you one thing, when G-d gave the law to the Jews, many laws benefitied the Jews by commanding them to ritually cleanse theselves and their food in a time when personal hygiene was not considered important. These laws kept the Jews healthier than the average person and allowed them to thrive.

However, it is the focus on the nit-picky details of the law, which many of the Sanhedron used as a weapon to condemn others, such as when the disciples gathered a few grains of wheat on the Sabbath in order to eat, which Jesus Christ condemned. A person's focus should be on loving G-d and His children instead of how to properly operate a gas stove on the Sabbath so as to avoid a very narrow definition of "work".

I do not condemn you for your strict adherence to the law. I have read enough of the bible to know that G-d chose the children of Israel to be His own.


312 posted on 05/18/2005 6:15:56 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: FoxPro

It totally seems to me that if a religious person wishes to abide by the customs of his/her religion, they don't need no stinkin' appliance manufacturers over-riding normal controls in order for them to remain religious.

Why can't each religious person abide by their beliefs by not touching the appliance that would offend their beliefs?

Too weak willed, and wants a third party to over-ride their hunger for a cheeseburger with fries??


313 posted on 05/18/2005 6:32:56 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: AppyPappy

Exd 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.


314 posted on 05/18/2005 6:45:21 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Hank Rearden
Every religion, including the religion of Secular Humanism, does the same thing in various ways. I call it wall building.

What happens is, the group starts with a baseline law or principle. Then they establish sub-rules that, just like building a wall, keep people farther away from breaking the baseline law. Then, to make sure people don't get close to breaking the sub-rule, they create other sub-rules. More walls.

This, in general, is how we have gotten Sabbath ovens and elevator service, no dancing or card-playing for certain Christian denominations, and no crosses or creches allowed on government property.

I'm oversimplifying a bit, but that's the general process and examples of results of the process from various groups. I would guess that if I studied some of your FR posts, I could probably find some examples of wall-building you're participating in. Everybody does it to some extent. When somebody else does it, you call it craziness. When you do it, you consider it reasonable.

315 posted on 05/18/2005 6:57:08 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Hey, thanks for the link. Next time I place an order with Amazon, I'll add that one to the shopping cart.


316 posted on 05/18/2005 7:16:08 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: aShepard

i think you have missed the point. the over-rides make it possible to keep things warm. on Sabbath evening (friday night) the system works to keep the oven on warm, overriding the thermostat so that opening the door will not trigger the oven to heat more. after the set time, 2 or 4 hours it shuts itself off. the digital display does not show the temperature but tells you if the heat is on or off. this is significant to know whether or not you can replace the food to the oven. if the oven is no longer heating you can put the food back in for the residual heat. however, if the oven is still heating you must be careful not to leave the food out too long and to intend to replace it as soon as possible. on non-sabbath holidays cooking is permitted and adding to the fire is permitted. starting and putting out the fire is not permitted. (this is based upon the difference between no manner of work vs. no servile work as recorded in various references in the Torah, (see Lev and and Ex for examples of holiday lists). yes we may use the appliance just not change its settings on Sabbath. FYI, i have no urge for a cheeseburger. Weak-willed? to the contrary, extremely strong willed. secularists and others seem to think that strong willed means making your own decisions what is right and/or ethical vs. wrong and/or immoral. going along with the crowd is the easiest thing to do. the Torah tells you to {See, I have set before you today life and good, and death and evil. I have commanded you today to love Hashem your G-d, to walk in his paths, and to keep His Commandments, Decrees, and Laws. You will then live and flourish, and Hashem your G-d will bless you... }Deut. 30:15-19 http://www.beingjewish.com/soul/freewill.html.
following the laws you scorn gives you life. choosing for yourself is your option but dont look to the Bible to support your personal choices. look to the Bible to make your personal choices. your choices are between good and bad determined by the Holy One, Blessed is He not yourself.


317 posted on 05/18/2005 8:17:07 AM PDT by APRPEH (genocide and protection of the establishment are core priorities of the UN)
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To: APRPEH

Geez, I must not understand.

My oven has a delay start mode (you could set for before Sabbath) and a timed delay shut-off, after so many set hours.

If you want to be in compliance with your rules, you can look at the panel lights to tell if the oven is still on, or look at your watch to see if its "safe" to open the door.


318 posted on 05/18/2005 8:38:35 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: Blood of Tyrants; Hank Rearden; safisoft
The Law was given to the Jews to demonstrate that it was impossible to be saved by the Law, only condemned by it.

Deuteronomy 30:11-14 says, "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. It is not in heaven, that you should say, `Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, `Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?' But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it."

The idea (coming from Justin Martyr) that the G-d purposfully created the Law of Moses as a way to trip up and frustrate His people by giving them an unaccomplishable task is a lie. People who believe this stuff don't read scripture, particularly the Tanak enough.

319 posted on 05/18/2005 8:46:52 AM PDT by Tamar1973 (Read the red! www.readthered.com)
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To: aShepard

possibly. there is no prohibition (in a conventional oven w/o sabbath mode) to setting the heat all the way up 500 or more the 30 minutes before sabbath, turning the oven off right before sabbath (18 minutes before sundown),placing your dinner in the oven and expecting the residual heat to keep the food warm for a couple of hours until when you are ready to sit down. IMO theoretically, (only) having the oven click on during sabbath is ok provided you are not cooking (warming only) and the food is already hot. that is, you cannot cook on sabbath regardless of the oven settings, timers, etc. this is a separate issue from the electricity and has been discussed earlier in the thread. the food must be at or above the temperature the oven would be set at and not benefit in any way from the new heat (improving the food). a possible example would be from the blech on the stove directly to the oven. this is still problematic and i am not recommending this to anyone for whom it applies. it is theoretical only and should be discussed with the LOR if necessary to implement. i am not a Posken.


320 posted on 05/18/2005 8:59:33 AM PDT by APRPEH (genocide and protection of the establishment are core priorities of the UN)
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