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A Critic Takes On the Logic of Female Orgasm
New York Times ^ | 5/17/05 | DINITIA SMITH

Posted on 05/17/2005 8:12:54 AM PDT by JAWs

Evolutionary scientists have never had difficulty explaining the male orgasm, closely tied as it is to reproduction.

But the Darwinian logic behind the female orgasm has remained elusive. Women can have sexual intercourse and even become pregnant - doing their part for the perpetuation of the species - without experiencing orgasm. So what is its evolutionary purpose?

Over the last four decades, scientists have come up with a variety of theories, arguing, for example, that orgasm encourages women to have sex and, therefore, reproduce or that it leads women to favor stronger and healthier men, maximizing their offspring's chances of survival.

But in a new book, Dr. Elisabeth A. Lloyd, a philosopher of science and professor of biology at Indiana University, takes on 20 leading theories and finds them wanting. The female orgasm, she argues in the book, "The Case of the Female Orgasm: Bias in the Science of Evolution," has no evolutionary function at all.

Rather, Dr. Lloyd says the most convincing theory is one put forward in 1979 by Dr. Donald Symons, an anthropologist.

That theory holds that female orgasms are simply artifacts - a byproduct of the parallel development of male and female embryos in the first eight or nine weeks of life.

In that early period, the nerve and tissue pathways are laid down for various reflexes, including the orgasm, Dr. Lloyd said. As development progresses, male hormones saturate the embryo, and sexuality is defined.

In boys, the penis develops, along with the potential to have orgasms and ejaculate, while "females get the nerve pathways for orgasm by initially having the same body plan."

Nipples in men are similarly vestigial, Dr. Lloyd pointed out.

While nipples in woman serve a purpose, male nipples appear to be simply left over from the initial stage of embryonic development.

The female orgasm, she said, "is for fun."

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: biology; dynamohum; evolution; orgasm; science; sex; whypostthis; women
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To: tx_eggman
Women have multiple orgasms, men get to pee standing up.

We got the better deal. :)

21 posted on 05/17/2005 8:28:14 AM PDT by najida (OK, so, ya see, uh huh.....I have this stress problem....maybe it's living without running water.)
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To: apackof2

Women are smart enough to know where babies come from, and the human race has the most difficult childbirth, and prolonged child raising time period of any species.

If it weren't fun ... who'd do it?


22 posted on 05/17/2005 8:29:04 AM PDT by Tilly (I'm not paid to be stressed!!!)
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To: Paradox
Lets just say, it can help them little critters do their job..

It can also impede them. Like many things, it all depends on the timing.

23 posted on 05/17/2005 8:29:49 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Tilly

Bingo!


24 posted on 05/17/2005 8:30:22 AM PDT by apackof2 (Truth is absolute or absolutely nothing is True)
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To: JAWs
Rather, Dr. Lloyd says the most convincing theory is one put forward in 1979 by Dr. Donald Symons, an anthropologist.

Good thing the Times is there to keep us up-to-date on breaking news.

25 posted on 05/17/2005 8:31:04 AM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Going by this "logic", men's nipples should be every bit as sensitive as a woman's.....which we know isn't the case.

How do we know they aren't? Who the heck has ever felt both? from the perspective of the feel-ee, that is.

26 posted on 05/17/2005 8:31:25 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JAWs
The female orgasm... has no evolutionary function at all

And I bet that very few women care, either.


But I do wonder how long it will take for the mods close this thread...

;*)

27 posted on 05/17/2005 8:32:06 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: Paradox; ecurbh

I think I saw the same show... orgasm before sex in wimmen actually hinders pregnancy. Not that there's anything wrong with that ;~D


28 posted on 05/17/2005 8:34:38 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: JAWs
I don't understand what you're saying.  The doctor is stating that there's no evolutionary need for female orgasms....that the female orgasm is just for fun....subsequently it's logical to assume, based on the doctor's conclusion, that the male nipples would develop equally to a females, "just for fun"....since the female reproductive organ develops equally to a males in terms of orgasm.

The doctor is saying about the female sex organs the same thing you're saying about male nipples.....only we know the female orgasm isn't under-developed or vestigial, so it's entirely logical to assume the doctor doesn't have the slightest idea at all of what she's talking about.

29 posted on 05/17/2005 8:35:08 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: tiamat; TheBigB

Just in case. Ping!


30 posted on 05/17/2005 8:37:04 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The noisiest people in the libraries these days are the librarians. (battlegearboat))
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To: HamiltonJay

How can you tell she's having more fun? Is she laughing?


31 posted on 05/17/2005 8:37:10 AM PDT by BBell
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Dude, I think you may be doing something wrong.

Nope not remotely.. they are having a dozen or more O's to my one... they are having way more fun... but they do always come back again.. which is fine by me.

32 posted on 05/17/2005 8:37:52 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Jet Jaguar

Oh, I saw it.

But thanks anyway, JJ!


33 posted on 05/17/2005 8:40:03 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: HairOfTheDog
We know feeling in the nipples is not the same in men and women.  It's really, really, really old news.  Men cannot have orgasms simply from nipple stimulation.
34 posted on 05/17/2005 8:40:47 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Men's nipples are VERY sensitive.

You just have to know what to do is all...


35 posted on 05/17/2005 8:40:51 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Oh, that's why she didn't get pregnant...
36 posted on 05/17/2005 8:41:10 AM PDT by Syncro
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To: pissant

Saw this, thought of you.


37 posted on 05/17/2005 8:42:37 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

The "just for fun" aspect of female nipples is learned, you know. There's no evolutionary need for them to be pleasurable. I would argue that if mens nipples were emotionally thought of as sensual, they would be sensual.

It's all up here >>>points to brain<<<


38 posted on 05/17/2005 8:43:39 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: BBell

BBell wrote:
How can you tell she's having more fun? Is she laughing?




Good line!

;-)


39 posted on 05/17/2005 8:44:18 AM PDT by tiamat (Can't sleep...clowns will get me..can't sleep...clowns will get me...can't sleep....clowns will get)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Are you a man or a woman?
40 posted on 05/17/2005 8:45:14 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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