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While GOP dithers, (Hillary) Clinton tackles immigration threat
Providence Journal ^ | 5/15/05 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 05/15/2005 10:03:54 AM PDT by nj26

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To: nj26

Hillary found the key.

If the GOP doesn't get really tough, including some fines and arrests, that could be all she wrote.

I have been saying that Illegal Immigration is the issue that will tear the conservative momement asunder. It is now in the hands of our sworn enemy.

This is the realization of all my deepest fears.


81 posted on 05/15/2005 11:35:41 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: nj26
[ While GOP dithers, (Hillary) Clinton tackles immigration threat ]

Who says their dithering.?. Seems to be "THE PLAN"... of the Gop..
It IS Hillary TURN.. and the GOP gets lots of plausible denyal brownie points.. when accused of taking a "DIVE" .. (lack of any real action on this issue)..

The democrats took a "DIVE" by selecting John Kerry.. Bush may have lost the election sans Kerry running..

The "SILENCE" on Mexican border INSURGENCY is deafening.?.
If they are NOT insurgents then what are they.?.

By the way it is very suspious that "republicans"(generally) could care LESS about massive voter fraud in 2004, 2000 and probably before that.. and I mean could care less.. The entire democrat party is complicit.. and everybody KNOWs IT too.. its no secret.. Yet, NOTHING, is being done about it..

And I'm not too sure "Read my lips No New taxes" was not a "DIVE" either.. from Pappa Smurf.. against Clinton..

82 posted on 05/15/2005 11:36:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: BIGZ
You can't fool Mother Nature and you can't fool Economic laws.

Your analysis is correct but your comclusion is faulty. Perhaps you don't remember the "Economic Law" that said that you could not have inflation and unemployment at the same time???? (shown to be false by that idiot Carter).

83 posted on 05/15/2005 11:38:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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To: nj26

Many of us on the right are wanting a fence on that Southern border to keep illegals out. Should Hillary be elected and actually build the darn thing, we will be horrified as it will serve to keep us in!


84 posted on 05/15/2005 11:38:43 AM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub


85 posted on 05/15/2005 11:39:25 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: surely_you_jest
There is far more at stake here than illegal aliens.

I couldn't agree more with you. After watching the democrats run the House in the 70s and 80s there's no way I'd ever want to see them get control of that body again.

86 posted on 05/15/2005 11:41:50 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: ARCADIA
Is your vote worth more then his, or mine? Your mindset is an example of the kind of thinking that is going to destroy the GOP.

Okie dokie!


87 posted on 05/15/2005 11:42:28 AM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: streetpreacher
Many of us on the right are wanting a fence on that Southern border to keep illegals out. Should Hillary be elected and actually build the darn thing, we will be horrified as it will serve to keep us in!

Hah! LOL!!

Yeah, right. There are millions who just can't wait to go to mexico.

88 posted on 05/15/2005 11:43:58 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: surely_you_jest; freedumb2003; nj26; rdb3; ARCADIA

Class war populism is something that Democrats do very, very well. And in "What's the Matter with Kansas" there is one very, very valid point. When Clinton decided to get behind NAFTA and chose free trade globalism, he threw away economic populism as an issue and economic populism is the only weapon the Democrats have that can blunt cultural values. After NAFTA it was all downhill for the Democrats. They lost mayoralty after governorship and the House and the Senate.

Illegal immigration, free trade, outsourcing, are issues that harshly impact Joe Sixpack voters in both parties. The party that will champion Joe Sixpack's economic interests AND respect his cultural values will be the majority party for the next generation.


89 posted on 05/15/2005 11:44:19 AM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ATOMIC_PUNK
First the obligatory link to more than you'd care to read about the subject:

For "Thunder on the Border," click this picture:

For the record, I'd sooner vote for the Devil Himself ( who is reputed to be a being of his word, all other things aside ) than the woman I have always called "Hillarrhea!"...

What I am trying to do, is point out that this is- in my opinion- this will be a key issue in the next two- perhaps more- elections.

The candidates who most appear to have a solution- rather than just talk, talk, talk about it- will carry the field.

I live in a small southern city, far, far away from Mexico & Central America, and we are being innudated by illegal aliens.

The economic and social costs can be debated all over the map, but they cannot be denied to exist. Worse, the violation of national security in a post 9-11 is intolerable.

We've all heard the stories of Korans & prayer rugs being found along our souther border, but I also hear of Chinese artifacts showning up. WTF? China is not a nation you leave easily or lightly. Something is going on, and we need to get control of it before something worse than 9-11 happens again.

90 posted on 05/15/2005 11:44:52 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Now it seems she's even got Newt the Suit to shill for her image to become a reborn conservative democrat.


91 posted on 05/15/2005 11:47:26 AM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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To: hosepipe

The Republicans have always been the "stupid party." They act like losers and cowards even when they win. They always have RINO's conveniently planted at crucial places to side with the Democrats. They don't fight and they don't care. They cower at the thought of offending the Washington Post and NY Times.

But we are told to vote for them because they are better than the alternative. On my ballot that means John McCain and Jim Kolbe. I'd rather have Democrats than someone who claims to be on my side and stabs my beliefs in the back.


92 posted on 05/15/2005 11:47:35 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: television is just wrong
You missed my point.

I have nothing but contempt for the disgraced former first lady now carpetbagging junior senator from New York.

My problem as a conservative living on the left coast that's under siege by illegals, is the Administration's total disconnect with the citizen's over the literal open borders.

Hillary is paying lip service to an issue that as Republican's WE SHOULD OWN. Even uber-liberal Froma Harrop is beating her drum. This infuriates me.

If the policy doesn't change it hurts our attempt to replace one of the most liberal senators in D.C. next year here in Washington, Maria Cant"VOTE"well.

The "d's" will only make the problem worse, you and I may know it, but the mushy middle is easily sway-able.
93 posted on 05/15/2005 11:49:08 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: APFel
I'd like W to address our concerns.M.i

He did...You just don't want to believe his answer...

94 posted on 05/15/2005 11:49:22 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: raybbr
Hah! LOL!!

Yeah, right. There are millions who just can't wait to go to mexico.

Read my disclaimer: "Should Hillary be elected". BTW, Mexico would just be the point of entry; still too close to the evil manical grasp of Hitlary!

On a serious note though, should the leftists assume power and make America the fascist country they desire, I fully expect within 20 years or more, the open persecution of Christians.

Could you imagine the novel uses Hitlary and her Mafia would find for the Patriot Act and McCain/Feingold? I wouldn't want a "fence" heeding my or anyone else's escape from "Paradise".

95 posted on 05/15/2005 11:52:04 AM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: BenLurkin

I know she's lying like a rug. The point is she's stealing an issue the Republican's should own and even a big lib the author knows this issue resonates.

The Republican's are going to be punished by the mushy middle if they don't see the light.


96 posted on 05/15/2005 11:55:47 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: streetpreacher
Okay, I get it now. Even if her royal haughtiness was elected I still wouldn't move to mexico. Maybe some serious gridlock (after the tax cuts are made permanent) wouldn't be such a bad thing.
97 posted on 05/15/2005 11:56:25 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: streetpreacher
On a serious note though, should the leftists assume power and make America the fascist country they desire, I fully expect within 20 years or more, the open persecution of Christians.

Not to get too far off-topic, but I believe we are already seeing the opening salvoes:

Early warning shots-- the War against Religion...

98 posted on 05/15/2005 11:59:00 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: 4lupus
There is a conservative Republican that is thinking of running for President on this issue in 2008. His name is Tom Tancredo and he has been working nonstop on this issue for years.

But you know as well as I do that most of the people here at FR will vote for whom they are told to vote for and it won't be Tom Tancredo...

Republicans will put Hillary (or any Democrat) in the White House before they will vote for Tancredo...

I WILL vote for an anti-illegal immigrant candidate (of some party)...

99 posted on 05/15/2005 11:59:21 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: Calpernia
Hillary Clinton says she's against illegal immigration. And she would fine employers who hire illegal aliens.

I suspect she is telling the truth...She, like Bush, will legalize ALL illegals, past, present and future...

100 posted on 05/15/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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