Posted on 05/15/2005 10:03:54 AM PDT by nj26
HILLARY GETS IT. Hillary Clinton says she's against illegal immigration. And she would fine employers who hire illegal aliens.
Pundits say the New York Democrat is using this hot-button issue to position herself for the 2008 presidential election. It's a way to hit Republicans from the right. Polls show huge majorities of both Republicans and Democrats oppose illegal immigration -- and are frustrated that President Bush won't do a thing to stop it.
But this issue does not belong to the right. Or it shouldn't. Illegal immigration hurts most liberal causes. It depresses wages, crushes unions and kills all hope for universal health coverage. Progressives have to understand that there's little social justice in an unregulated labor market.
"Liberals are so confused on this issue," says Vernon Briggs, a labor economist at Cornell University and self-described liberal. "Immigration policy has got to be held accountable for its economic consequences."
Many Democrats used to get it. In 1964, President Johnson abolished the Bracero program, which brought in "temporary" farm workers from Mexico. Its demise let Cesar Chavez organize U.S. farm workers. His union won some battles early on, but a new wave of illegal immigrants in the mid-1970s reversed that progress. The union barely exists today.
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Nowadays, the messages aren't even mixed anymore. A cheap-labor Republican, George Bush won't enforce the employer penalties. He has a new amnesty program. And he vows to "match any willing worker with any willing employer." Hence, the latest stampede at the southern border.
Sounds like the Democrats have an issue. And if Clinton can seriously address the problem in non-racial terms, she could march straight to the White House. Go for it, Hillary.
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Anyone who considers themselves on the Right would be a fool for even thinking about voting for present Republican party. These guys have drifted so far to the left that I no longer even consider them American.
When the issue is cultural values, Democrats lose. When the issue is economic populism, Democrats win because they are very, very good at presenting themselves as the party that will protect Joe Sixpack from "fat cat special interests". Like the free trade open borders types.
Religious conservatives are a lot of Joe Sixpacks who have blue collar economic interests. Their parents and grandparents were New Deal Democrats and their great grandparents were William Jennings Bryan Populists. If Hillary can convince them that she respects red state values and mores (she did after all live in the Arkansas governor's mansion) and won't pack the judiciary with sodomite loving activists they will listen to what she has to say.
Now that was foolish.
The Republican Party is the ship; all else is the sea.
--Frederick Douglass
If it ain't what it needs to be, then I will work to make it what it should. I am a proud REPUBLICAN. To hell with everyone else.
I live in King County, WA - - I would never underestimate DIM voter fraud (or her sudden urging to give felons the right to vote). Good point, though, I forgot to include that.
I agree. I think they are both working from the playbook of putting and keeping this country in chaos and then promising to fix it inorder to remain in power. I think it is time for a real third party
>>>>Hillary Clinton says she's against illegal immigration. And she would fine employers who hire illegal aliens.
She should know. Right Hillary? Can you say....WalMart???
Don't be a CINO (Conservative in Name Only)
Don't listen to CINO's in politics,
the Main Stream CINO media,
and even here on Free Republic.
Remember all who told you not to worry about klintoon, hitlery and reno
after the 2000 election?
Remember all who said Ashcroft would prosecute them.
Remember Chinagate, Pardongate, Waco, Vince Foster, the Jewish town in NY etc., etc., etc. ?
Well reno ran against Jeb Bush and hitlery wants to beat Hanoi Kerry in 08
Are YOU willing to listen to the CINO's again?
Folks the Democrats are moving to the right on immigration. The GOP and Bush are very vulnerable on this issue. I do not for one minute think that Hillary and the opposition care about the border one iota except as a political issue. But this not about reality it is about perception. If the public believes the Democrats care more about border security than the GOP then that will go along way into getting Hillary to the presidency in 08. We have to hold the GOP and its Representatives accountable on this issue.
My vote has to be earned. It isn't owed to anyone.
Free trade open border republicans are undermining the sovereignty, security, and prosperity of this nation. That is more important than any party.
"Religious conservatives are a lot of Joe Sixpacks who have blue collar economic interests. Their parents and grandparents were New Deal Democrats and their great grandparents were William Jennings Bryan Populists. If Hillary can convince them that she respects red state values and mores (she did after all live in the Arkansas governor's mansion) and won't pack the judiciary with sodomite loving activists they will listen to what she has to say."
Great analysis. Our party forgets this truth at its own expense.
And especially since Fox's ethnic crack gives liberals cover to oppose illegal immigration without seeming "racist".
If we lose those things, what do we have left? Something has to change.
Baldwin Park public artwork angers group opposed to illegal immigration
Take a look at some of the photo's from this rally. The illegal aliens supporters were from ANSWER, the socialists, Maldef, Brown Berets, you name it, they were there. They hit an old woman in the head with a water bottle and she is in serious condition.
The woman had been down on the border with the minutemen just recently....
If you will look just under the Traffic light to the right of the Policeman's helmut you will see a poster that says.....F**K the Alamo!!!!!
That's your own personal thing. Ask how many really care who your vote goes to, okay?
Hillary Knows Illegals....
Chattanooga Grand Jury Indicts Tyson Foods
A Federal Grand Jury in Chattanooga has returned indictments against Tyson Foods, Inc., and six of its managerial personnel on charges involving illegal aliens.
Charged with conspiracy to violate, and violation of, various immigration laws prohibiting the importation and transportation of illegal aliens, and the use of fraudulent identification documents in the hiring of those illegal aliens are:
Tyson Foods, Inc., headquartered in Springdale, Arkansas
Robert Hash, a Vice-President at headquarters over the Retail Fresh Division
Gerald Lankford, former Human Resources Manager in the Retail Fresh Division
Keith Snyder, Complex Manager at the Tyson Plant in Noel, Missouri
Truley Ponder, former Complex Manager at the Tyson Plant in Shelbyville, Tennessee
Spencer Mabe, former Plant Manager at the Tyson Plant in Shelbyville, Tennessee
Jimmy Rowland, former Complex Personnel Manager at the Tyson Plant in Shelbyville, Tennessee
Tyson Foods is currently on criminal probation as a result of the corporation pleading guilty to bribery of former Secretary of Agriculture Espy, a felony, on December 29, 1997, a prosecution mounted by Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz, in federal court in Washington, D.C.
All defendants are charged in 36 counts of the 57-page federal indictment returned in Chattanooga on December 11. Tyson Foods and the six managers are accused in the indictment of conspiring to cause the importation and transportation of illegal alien workers from the Southern border of the United States to work at Tyson plants throughout the United States. The indictment charges that the defendants at Tyson Foods cultivated a "corporate culture in which the hiring of illegal alien workers . . . was condoned by Tyson management because it was more important for Tyson to meet its production goals and to cut its costs to maximize Tyson profits than for the defendants to comply with the immigration and other laws of the United States." According to the indictment, the defendants requested the delivery of illegal aliens to work at Tyson plants and aided and abetted them in obtaining false documents so that they could work at Tyson poultry processing plants "under the false pretense of being legally employable."
Tyson Foods and the six managerial defendants are further charged with conspiracy to obstruct the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the enforcement of immigration laws, along with numerous substantive violations of those laws associated with the undercover deliveries of illegal aliens to various Tyson chicken processing plants. Notably, the charges of importing illegal aliens into the United States for commercial advantage implicate a statutorily imposed five-year mandatory minimum sentence, without the opportunity for probation or parole. In addition, the indictment seeks forfeiture of the financial gain realized by Tyson Foods and its managers as a result of the violations charged.
The United States Attorney's office praised the two-and-one-half-year undercover investigation conducted by the INS which provided the basis for the charges contained in the indictment. The investigation of the case was carried out by a task force composed of INS agents from around the country under the supervision of Al Garcia, Supervisory Special Agent, Task Force Coordinator, U.S. Border Patrol, San Angelo, Texas; and Tina Tucker, Supervisory Special Agent, Asset Forfeiture Coordinator, Dallas, Texas. The United States Attorney's office expressed appreciation to Robert Wallis, Regional Director, Central Region, INS, Dallas, Texas; James Cole, Associate Regional Director, Central Region, INS; Paul M. Berg, Chief Patrol Agent, U.S. Border Patrol, Del Rio, Texas; Anne M. Estrada, District Director, INS, Dallas, Texas; and J. Scott Blackman, Regional Director, Eastern Region, INS, Burlington, Vermont.
The Task Force also included agents of the Internal Revenue Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and local law enforcement in the Shelbyville, Tennessee area.
According to the United States Attorney's office, "This prosecution signals a new approach to enforcing our immigration laws through targeting the corporations and their executives who recruit and exploit illegal alien labor. We believe that this approach affords a strong deterrent to violation of the immigration laws of this country."
The cases arising out of the nationwide investigation of Tyson Foods' hiring practices are being prosecuted by several Assistant United States Attorneys around the country, who have served on the task force under the coordination of the lead prosecutor, Assistant United States John P. MacCoon, Chattanooga, Tennessee, who may be contacted for further public information at (423)752-5140. Trial Attorney Stephanie Thacker of the Criminal Division, Department of Justice, Child Exploitation Section, serves as co-counsel, along with Assistant United States Attorneys Matthew T. Morris and Tammy Owens Combs of the United States Attorney's Office, Eastern District of Tennessee.
imVho, "the blond witch project" has about the same chance as i do to ever be elected POTUS. about 45% of the electorate HATES HER GUTS. (trust me, even i can find another 6% of the electorate that will vote for a GOP candidate, no matter which one runs!)
if Guiliani runs in '06 she MAY lose her seat at the senate too. that would FOR SURE finish her "political career".
free dixie,sw
Hillary doesn't care about illegal immigrants. It is only convenient at this time she says something. Typical politician. She will do no more than Bush is doing.
Get a reality check.
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