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Chaplain Wants Christ Out of Air Force Academy
NewsMax ^ | 5/12/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/12/2005 12:41:32 PM PDT by wagglebee

Here’s a story that will throw you for a loop: a "chaplain” at the U.S. Air Force Academy is complaining that the school’s administration has a "systemic and pervasive” problem of promoting religious religious values with a Christian bent.

The chaplain, Capt. Melinda Morton, a "Lutheran minister” spoke out publicly on Tuesday as an Air Force task force arrived at the academy to investigate charges that officers and staff members pushed their religious beliefs on cadets.

And she claimed that a tolerance program developed at the academy, called Respecting the Spiritual Values of all People (R.S.V.P.), was watered down after it was shown to officers.

Maj. Gen. Charles C. Baldwin, chief of chaplains for the Air Force, screened the 90-minute R.S.V.P. film in October, according to Capt. Morton, and asked her: "Why is it that the Christians never win?” in reaction to some of the program’s depictions of cadet interactions.

"Chaplain” Morton’s complaints about too much religion at the military academy is creating waves, and earned her hero status in a report in the New York Times Thursday.

Gen. Baldwin acknowledged in an interview that he felt too many scenes in the film portrayed Christians at fault for excessive evangelical proselytizing.

He also said he asked that the Air Force cut segments on non-Christian religions such as Buddhism, Judaism and Native American spirituality.

The problem in dealing with proselytizing and church-state issues at the academy, he explained, "always is, when is a person crossing the line, or when are they being a positive person of faith, like our president.”

Last year, the Colorado Springs academy invited Yale Divinity School professor Kristen Leslie and six Yale graduate students to visit the school and observe how the chaplains minister to the cadets.

A memo from the Yale team cited the "stridently evangelical themes” at a worship service attended by 600 new cadets.

Leslie said a chaplain urged cadets to pray for those who didn’t attend and "remind them of the consequences ... those not ‘born again will burn in the fires of hell.’”

But academy spokesman Johnny Whitaker disputed that account, saying several other chaplains told him that no one mentioned burning "in the fires of hell.”

Morton, a 48-year-old "Lutheran minister," said she was removed from her post as executive officer to the chief chaplain, Col. Michael Whittington, last week. She claimed the dismissal came after he pressured her to deny details of what happened at the religious service.

But Whitaker said Whittington sent Morton an e-mail on May 4 saying he was removing her "to ensure a smooth and complete transition” for new leaders.

Morgan said she had stepped forward because "it’s the Constitution, not just a nice rule we can follow or not follow. That includes not using your power to advance your religious agenda.”

She acknowledged that after speaking out, "I don’t think I have much future in the Air Force.”


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To: churchillbuff

True. Being a Christian doesn't seem to be required for being a minister anymore in many denominations.


161 posted on 05/12/2005 3:43:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: Brian Allen
Mr. Brian Allen, you are a hateful, vengeful man. As your doctor I am advising you to take an extended vacation, to say Europia, and after that extended vacation, should you feel the same, remain there.

In your present state of mind you serve neither yourself, or your country any useful purpose.

Bon voyage.

162 posted on 05/12/2005 3:44:35 PM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: boomop1

Berkeley Synod..


163 posted on 05/12/2005 3:45:24 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: annyokie
annyokie wrote:
Go straight to Hell for that.

Easy there your feminism is showing.
164 posted on 05/12/2005 3:50:54 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: wagglebee
"it’s believing that Jesus Christ is The Messiah, not just a nice man we can follow or not follow."
165 posted on 05/12/2005 3:51:33 PM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: wagglebee
A large pct of our Air Force chaplains are merely religious representatives. They try to mean all to all so that they mean nothing and are irrelevant. They're also part of the PC problem.

I went to a Contemporary Base Issues Course and heard one of these hyphenated last name chaplains speak to the class. She asked us if all we had in our Chaplain office were bibles. If so, we needed Prayer Rugs and other things. I told her she can find the prayer rugs in the POW camps.

166 posted on 05/12/2005 3:52:27 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: All
1. "Born Again" = 2nd most overused marketing slogan in theological history.
2. Martin Luther = 2nd most well-known disgruntled employee in theological history.
3. "While the Word of God may fall from the lips of fools, it's meaning is always proclaimed boldly in the acts of the righteous." The Awakening of Joshua
167 posted on 05/12/2005 3:53:27 PM PDT by olde north church (Priority: MESSAGE, then messenger.)
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To: TonyRo76

See 163...I've been dealing with these people. Thank God we have good Christian Chaplains here.


168 posted on 05/12/2005 3:53:45 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: wagglebee

I want to make it clear this is not the Missouri Synod Lutherans.


169 posted on 05/12/2005 3:53:58 PM PDT by In veno, veritas
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To: boomop1

Nice to see another.


170 posted on 05/12/2005 3:55:52 PM PDT by In veno, veritas
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Or lesbians (hey, while we're on a role. *smile* I dont know ive seen some real uggos that should be lesbians so there is no danger of them ever reproducing and passing on those bad genes :-) (its a joke folks dont shoot )
171 posted on 05/12/2005 3:55:57 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change government support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: Abram; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; BlackbirdSST; blackeagle; BroncosFan; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
172 posted on 05/12/2005 3:56:34 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change government support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: familyop

Read the thread, genius. Mr. Okie was on the Generals list.


173 posted on 05/12/2005 4:02:20 PM PDT by annyokie ("Guess what. I got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell.")
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To: annyokie
"Read the thread, genius. Mr. Okie was on the Generals list."

You called someone, "Sarge." I reiterate to you, vain and insulting one who appears to hate our defense. You haven't been in our military, have you.
174 posted on 05/12/2005 4:07:16 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

The person I addressed calls himself "sarge." My husband is career Army, a combat pilot who did three tours in VietNam and he his very highly decorated.

Our eldest son is currently serving in the Navy.

I have never been in the military due to health issues. You?


175 posted on 05/12/2005 4:11:24 PM PDT by annyokie ("Guess what. I got a fever...and the only prescription...is more cowbell.")
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To: OKIEDOC
I am going to go out on a limb, and suggest that, 100 years ago or so, that if the early feminists, who fought for some JUSTIFIED causes at the time,If they could had known how that ideology would be perverted and twisted in the last 50 or so years, to include : providing abortions for underage girls, without parental consent or knowledge, teaching of lesbian and Homo lifestyles to children as "normal",passing out condoms to 6th and 7th graders, perverting legitimate harassment laws to the point that a man feels uneasy about making any comment to a woman, for fear or lawsuits, teaching that staying pure until marriage is "twisted", and abnormal",teaching that ALL men are rapists, child molesters, perverts, and that men should not be permitted to be part of a family, other than to pay ALL of the bills, and other, sick, evil teachings, many of which have been adopted by most women,I doubt they would have even bothered with early feminist causes.
176 posted on 05/12/2005 4:17:39 PM PDT by Rca2000 (America, oh America, I MISS YOU!!!!!)
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To: LouAvul

Is this the poll given by Pew? If we take a good look at the statement of faiths of the churches polled such as Merican Baptists, it clearly show apostasy. This group is in direct contrast to typical southern baptists. It would be interesting to see if the polling efforts were directed by the same women who helped with Moveon.org.


177 posted on 05/12/2005 4:18:04 PM PDT by jer33 3
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To: DarthVader

The poll referenced is a false representation.


178 posted on 05/12/2005 4:21:39 PM PDT by jer33 3
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To: annyokie

combat engineer (cbt., enlisted type) has-been

To say "sarge" was forbidden.

Feminism is behind most of the demoralization in our military--especially the feminist victimology that is the foundation of our anti-family divorce laws.


179 posted on 05/12/2005 4:22:57 PM PDT by familyop
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To: wagglebee

Someone tell this brainless little bitch (she's certainly not a Christian, despite her "Chaplain" monicker) to stay the f**k out of MY school. This well and truly pisses me off.

RightOnline
USAFA, Class of '77


180 posted on 05/12/2005 4:25:47 PM PDT by RightOnline
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