Vegans face abuse charges

East Valley Tribune ^ | 12 May, 2005 | Irene Hsiao

[RockinRight]

Yes-I am in Ohio and that's the one thing I am still growing. From late May thru early October they are on my deck. During winter they live under a 1000 watt metal halide light (like the ones potheads use to grow marijuana...I had to explain to my nosy neigbor that I did NOT grow pot...). I put it on a timer for 12 hours a day. It runs the electric bill up about $19 but for me it's worth it. Also grow limes and lemons this way as well as a few tropical plants.

[najida]

I have two siblings (and their families) who are vegans. One is the aforementioned brother and the other is a another brother with a metabolism so high he can eat constantly. Slim, but all muscle.

Cooking for and eating with them is quite fun actually. There are lots of foods out there that I've brought into my diet because of them :)

I saw a term called "Flexitarian" which was used for those who eat mostly a plant based diet with small amounts of animal protein.

I think that is a good term for me. BTW, we are all raised on a farm, hunted, fished, butchered our on meat etc... but 3 out of 4 of us greatly prefer veges over meat. I think we all (or at least me) got to the 'ugh' point.

[Calpernia]

[Frank_Discussion]

Problem?

[SupplySider]

A vegetarian diet means you do not eat meat. A vegan diet means that you do not eat animal products of any kind, including eggs, fish, milk, dairy etc

Strict vegans won't eay honey or wear a wool sweater, either, so as not to enslave the bees and sheep.

There are fruitarians, also, who won't kill a vegetable but will only eat fruits and nuts after they've matured and reproduced. I once saw a bumper sticker that said "Mowing is Murder". Apparently you have to let the grass spread it's seed before it's moral to cut it. I'd be laughing but I can't stop thinking of those poor kids.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

Actually, she's 15-20 lbs underweight for her height, if she is a slight framed woman. Recommended weights for 5' 6":

(small frame, medium frame, large frame)

120-133 130-144 140-159

[reagan_fanatic]

Dammit...enough with the steak pictures already! You guys are killing me!

[repubzilla]

THANK YOU!!!!
Do some research people. There is no conclusive evidence that red meat is bad for you. I used to believe that as well...still ate it! Then I came across some great medical readings. We have been duped by the animal rights and low fat crowd. We are built to consume fats and meats as well as low sugar/low starch foods. WE need, especially our children to have good dietary fats!

[RobRoy]

>>Yeah, but TWELVE POUNDS AT AGE THREE????? C'mon...<<

I agree. I was just parsing the article.

[RockinRight]

I dated a girl in college like that. She grew up on a farm and didn't eat much meat. We would go for a steak or chicken once in a while though.

[Hillary's Lovely Legs]

I do believe in using the bible herbs and eating the way that the people ate back then. Meat was fresh and not filled with antibiotics which is why I like Ted Nugent. He looks good for his age.

People in biblical times didn't live very long and Nugent doesn't look good up close.

[cyclotic]

I did not reach the top of the food chain just to graze like a prey species

That's a great line. I'm using that one on a vagan buddy of mine. I have a standing offer that I'll buy the first steak when he realizes the error of his ways.
Just remember, "There's plenty of room for all God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes."

[RobRoy]

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[subterfuge]

Those kids will make a choice one day. If they live long enough that is.

Their choice, when they learn how they've been abused and scarred for life, will be to loathe the disgusting, sick people who raised them. (or tried to).

[ambrose]

I haven't had any red meat since I was 10 years-old, and stopped eating all meat of any kind whatsoever when I was 16 (approaching 20 years now). 6'4, with weight varying between 215 and 225, depending on how much I've been exercising. I've never been a vegan, however.

One of the benefits of the diet is good digestion and elimination. I have yet to hear of a vegetarian who suffers from colitis.

[RockinRight]

Mowing is Murder?? ROFL!!

[cyborg]

They didn't live longer because of inadequate medical care and knowledge. I never did claim they live longer though according to the Bible in the beginning people lived very long. Didn't stay that way though.

[Chappaquiddick Crawdad]

Actually, vegetable oil or vegetable/tallow blends are very common.

Yes, "meat-based" was a little vague. I meant that nearly all are some sort of blend of vegetable oil and tallow oil. Very few are all vetetable oil, and some restaurants that have claimed such (McDonald's at one point, I think) were found to have a significant amount of tallow oil in the mixture as well. And tallow is an animal product, so it's a no-no for the Vegans.

[RockinRight]

True enough but they also didn't have vaccines, open-heart surgery, etc.

And Ted IS 57 years old...

[agrace]

Got it and read it a few weeks ago. Good book with good points, some you have to take with a grain of salt, for example, keep in mind the author has a business selling live vitamins so he of course thinks those are the best. Not to say they aren't but...

That book has made me take an increasingly hard look at the average American diet, and I had already previously headed far away from the "white death" (bleached white flour etc) and processed foods loaded with preservatives.

I had conflicting emotions - reading it made me 1) want to eliminate absolutely everything unnatural from our family's food consumption, 2) really angry at the traditional nutritional/scientific/pharmaceutical community in this country, and 3) completely depressed that in our processed urban world, we can't get completely away from our self-created poisons, short of moving to the wilderness and becoming hunter/gatherers. :)

Seriously though, at the very least, it made me start buying organic milk for my kids. I might not be able to afford to have free-range meat shipped to my house, but I can eat the double cost of milk to avoid hormones. And thankfully, we have a number of hunters in our family and eat venison and fresh fish all year, so that's a plus as well.