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Pregnancy costs teacher her job
south bend tribune ^ | 05/11/05 | LOU MUMFORD

Posted on 05/11/2005 10:24:29 AM PDT by hoosierboy

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To: hoosierboy

She knew the rules, broke them anyway, and is now crying "foul".


21 posted on 05/11/2005 10:39:03 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: mlc9852
Why - cause men can't get pregnant?

That may be part of it.

Where is the gender bias here?

Legally/technically, there may be none.

As I said, it would depend on that state's particular laws (if any) regarding gender and/or bias against pregnant women. As well as how the state's courts have ruled on such laws (again, if they exist). And lastly, whether or not those rules expressly apply to religion-based employers or have been interpreted through prior court rulings to apply to religion-based employers.

22 posted on 05/11/2005 10:40:20 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Mrs Mark
... she could claim artificial insemination ...

The Holy Ghost did it! It's a MIRACLE!

23 posted on 05/11/2005 10:42:21 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: hoosierboy

IMHO, any private employer anywhere has a right to terminate any employee at any time whether or not there is cause.


24 posted on 05/11/2005 10:42:43 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: hoosierboy

Private Church school...their rules.

An unmarried, pregnant woman represents moral turpitude to the 7th Day Adventists. That Church is very strict, and practices shunning/excommunication.

A friend of mine in highschool was Adventist. He was kicked out of home and church when he was discovered to have a drug problem.


25 posted on 05/11/2005 10:43:21 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Mrs Mark

Immaculate conception?


26 posted on 05/11/2005 10:43:50 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: hoosierboy

The first kid can come at any time, the rest take 9 months.


27 posted on 05/11/2005 10:44:41 AM PDT by jtminton (The E.P.A.: Bringing you higher gas prices since 1970!)
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To: hoosierboy

Absolutely their business... You work for a strict Christian school and you are found to be violating the tenants of the church.... see ya later.

This rediculousness that as an employee you have an absolute wall between what you do at work and what you do outside of it is rediculous. You are employed AT WILL... don't like it start your own business where you can be the boss.


28 posted on 05/11/2005 10:46:30 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
IMHO, any private employer anywhere has a right to terminate any employee at any time whether or not there is cause

That's not true. There's a multitude of local, state & federal laws that protect employees under a variety of circumstances including those related to: age, ethnicity, race, gender, etc.

29 posted on 05/11/2005 10:47:30 AM PDT by gdani
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To: hoosierboy

Nrmally none of their business, but this is a strict 7th Day Adventist School, and she agreed to adhere to their strict rules.

Smart, though, for them to let her contract expire and not fire her. Avoids most any lawsuit.


30 posted on 05/11/2005 10:47:36 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Which understanding apparently doesn't include the concept of forgiveness, and requires immediate expulsion from fellowship of anyone who commits a sin, even if they repent of it.

The school cannot forgive her as she did not sin against them. She is not being expelled from fellowship. I read nothing in the story to the effect that she was no longer welcome in the congregation. The school merely wanted to remove her from a position of authority because her actions were contrary to the churches doctrines.

How one could interpret the message of abortion from the church's actions is beyond me.

She is still receiving pay and benefits for the duration of her contract. I can't see how she would have any grounds for a lawsuit.

31 posted on 05/11/2005 10:48:45 AM PDT by acad1228
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To: hoosierboy
Women used to lose their teaching jobs when they got married.

My Mom lost her's in 1942, Florence, SC, when she and Dad got married. School board changed policy later during WWII.

She taught until she couldn't stand it any longer. Then taught at a Vo-Tech where the students "wanted" to be there.

Still home schools Latin students at age 89.

One of her students took top National honors.

32 posted on 05/11/2005 10:49:52 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Planned Parenthood is neither)
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"Each of our teachers is issued a 'Ministry of Teaching' license. In our school system, our teachers are expected to be a positive spiritual example for our congregations and youth.

"When she (John) chose behavior contrary to those values, she was placed on administrative leave. Even though policy allows for immediate dismissal, out of compassion, her present contract continues to be honored and she will receive full pay and benefits until the contract expires.''

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I have no problem with this. It's too bad that our public schools don't have the ability to fire teachers who exhibit this kind of behaviour.

33 posted on 05/11/2005 10:50:18 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Question Liberal Authority

"Too many times, people sue to get some crappy job back, working for a boss they hate. Why?"

For the money. They technically get the job back, but in reality the institution doesn't want them back any more than they want to be back, so they get paid to go away. That's all she wants-- money.


35 posted on 05/11/2005 10:50:56 AM PDT by walden
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To: hoosierboy
This action most likely violates U.S. anti-discrimiantion laws. A person cannot be fired from a job for being pregnant. Technically she was fired for having premarital sex, but I doubt the courts will make the distinction if a suit is filed. Religious organizations can only discriminate in employment within a very narrow scope, and this probably falls outside of it.
36 posted on 05/11/2005 10:51:11 AM PDT by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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To: Pondman88

"She'll be welcome with open arms in our great public education system."

No doubt about that. She's fit right in too and would have to be pretentious about her so called "beliefs". She could be herself and inspire other unwed mothers with her tawdry behavior.


37 posted on 05/11/2005 10:53:31 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: hoosierboy

My libertarian side says they should be able to fire whomever they want. If you agree to the rules, don't piss and moan when they are enforced.


38 posted on 05/11/2005 10:53:53 AM PDT by bella1 (red county, blue state)
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To: wmichgrad

I disagree. A teacher was fired from a Catholic School in Delaware about a year ago when it was broght to the school's attention she was a signer of a pro-abortion petition printed in the local newspaper.

She sued and lost.


39 posted on 05/11/2005 10:54:36 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"The take-home message from this school's administration is that if you get pregnant outside marriage, better get an abortion quickly and quietly, or we'll fire you (or expel you, or whatever's applicable)."

Wrong, the take home message is that you FOLLOW THE RULES. This is called ACCOUNTABILITY. This seemingly is something whose concept has eluded you.

40 posted on 05/11/2005 10:56:12 AM PDT by JoeV1 (Democrat Party-The unlawful and corrupt leading the blind and uneducated)
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