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Pregnancy costs teacher her job
south bend tribune ^ | 05/11/05 | LOU MUMFORD

Posted on 05/11/2005 10:24:29 AM PDT by hoosierboy

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61 posted on 05/11/2005 11:14:27 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: acad1228

My old church had it right. Adulterers got to teach, expound, fornicate with whoever and receive all the benefits of membership. We were truly Christian??? The minister did not feel he had the right to judge. The church gradually dwindled and closed.


62 posted on 05/11/2005 11:14:44 AM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: conservativewasp
Selling her services or not isn't the point ....

Then why call her a whore? Why not just say you don't want someone in that position teaching your child?

63 posted on 05/11/2005 11:16:07 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SF Republican

We know people who lived in France, and when they showed people their wedding pictures they asked where all their kids were.


64 posted on 05/11/2005 11:16:24 AM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: hoosierboy

...John said she was told premarital sex is an act strictly forbidden by the school system and the Seventh-day Adventist religion.

I'm presuming that no one hired by the school has any children who were conceived out of wedlock & that the school has very carefully screened the past medical history & marriage dates of all the employees to make certain of this?

65 posted on 05/11/2005 11:18:58 AM PDT by elli1
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To: wmichgrad
Being a pro-abortion teacher in Catholic school is not being pregnant. Clearly the Catholic school was within its rights to terminate an employee whose personal views are in direct conflict with religious teachings.

Clearly the Catholic Seven Day Adventist school was within its rights to terminate an employee whose personal views conduct are in direct conflict with religious teachings.

66 posted on 05/11/2005 11:19:31 AM PDT by NYCynic
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To: hoosierboy

Private school.

End of discussion.


67 posted on 05/11/2005 11:20:16 AM PDT by Skooz (Jesus Christ Set Me Free of Drug Addiction in 1985. Thank You, Lord.)
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To: Gabz
If she were teaching her class that premarital sex was OK, then it would be same. In this case she was already pregnant, so it's not the same. There was a girl who was fired from a hotel for having an abortion. She filed a lawsuit and won based on pregnancy anti-discrimination laws.
68 posted on 05/11/2005 11:20:26 AM PDT by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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To: hoosierboy

I think the school has a right to set its own policies. Seeing as how she wasn't very far along and she did get married, I think they should have kept her but I can understand why they want to uphold the policies they've set. It could have been worse--they could have fired her. Now she gets paid for doing nothing. Paid for maternity leave. Sounds pretty good.


69 posted on 05/11/2005 11:21:59 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: NYCynic
Within their rights, maybe, but not within the law. She wasn't teaching that premarital sex was OK. Technically she hasn't been fired, but if she were, I do not think that a court would distinguish between being fired for having premarital sex and being fired for being pregnant in this case.
70 posted on 05/11/2005 11:23:26 AM PDT by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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To: hoosierboy
"When she (John) chose behavior contrary to those values, she was placed on administrative leave. Even though policy allows for immediate dismissal, out of compassion, her present contract continues to be honored and she will receive full pay and benefits until the contract expires.''

That's rather decent of the school considering their position on the matter. Although she obviously violated her obligations with the school, she did correct the problem by getting married. Perhaps her acknowledgement of her wrong doing to the school adminstration would have allowed her to stay on as teacher. Of course, that's up to the school.

71 posted on 05/11/2005 11:24:26 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: wmichgrad

Its not the pregnancy that the administrator objected to, so much as it was the time off that would be given post-partum. The employee was doing her job without difficulty.

Also factoring in is that the administrators here get bonuses for cutting costs, and a woman about to deliver is a cost waiting to be cut.


72 posted on 05/11/2005 11:26:20 AM PDT by NYorkerInHouston
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Which understanding apparently doesn't include the concept of forgiveness, and requires immediate expulsion from fellowship of anyone who commits a sin, even if they repent of it.

I'm guessing that's the problem, she wasn't repentant.

Whether she has legal recourse or not, she said she'll look next for a job "with people who accept me.''

73 posted on 05/11/2005 11:26:57 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: wmichgrad

She violated the religious teachings of the Church, which runs the school, and also violated school policy.......she is on leave and her contract is not beng renewed.

Had they gone ahead and renewed her contract they would in essence being violating the rules and obviously they do not wish the children being taught, by example, that there are no consequences to breaking rules.

The teacher in the Delaware school was not teaching abortion was OK, however her actions were in direct contradiction to what was being taught. Same principle in my mind.


74 posted on 05/11/2005 11:27:42 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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To: hoosierboy

I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it is a private, religious school and they have a right to demand their employees live up to certain moral standards. On the other hand, people make mistakes and it looks like the teacher and her husband have taken responsibility for their actions by getting married. It seems very harsh to me to fire this women for doing the most responsible, Christian thing she could when she could've had an abortion or opted for single parenthood. But I guess that's still the school's perogative.


75 posted on 05/11/2005 11:29:00 AM PDT by sassbox
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To: hoosierboy

Well, it IS a Christian school and when you teach at a Christian school, you are expected to be a moral person. I don't see the problem with letting her go.


76 posted on 05/11/2005 11:30:40 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

This is not a church, these are other people's kids.


77 posted on 05/11/2005 11:31:26 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: GovernmentShrinker

If she didn't believe what she was doing is wrong, then apparently she never read her Bible. God is very strict about these kinds of moral failures. "Fornicators will not see the Kingdom of Heaven." That's pretty explicit, isn't it? I get tired of smorgasbord Christians who take what they like out of scripture and leave the rest. God says NO. Period.


78 posted on 05/11/2005 11:32:48 AM PDT by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: wmichgrad

Ugh, give me a break. If you can't count on a teacher being a role model in this society then we are in deep trouble. Everything adults or people in authority do to children of that age is what is being taught to children. I don't care what's in the lesson plan.


79 posted on 05/11/2005 11:34:37 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Because that's what she is, money or not. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck......


80 posted on 05/11/2005 11:34:50 AM PDT by conservativewasp (Support John Kerry......... Ho Chi Minh would. Damn! Now I need a new tagline.)
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