Was World War II worth it? (Buchanan barf alert)

WorldNetDaily ^ | May 11, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[EveningStar]

If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.

If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.

Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead?

[Modernman]

What is Pat's point?

Jews are bad.

[BlueNgold]

You may not like what Pat has been saying about Bush (which I think is the real point of these anti-Pat postings) but his analysis is consistently brilliant and based on an extraordinary historical scholarship and knowledge and a realistic and practical assessment of both what is practical and what is effective and right for our government to do.

Sigh. Where do I start?
First, there are a good many people, on both sides of the political spectrum, who have disagreed with our President loudly and vehemently on any range of issues. No one agrees 100% of the time, and I don't expect Pat to hold his tongue (not to mention stifling Pat would take a minor miracle anyway) because we have a Republican in the White House.

I regularly make fun of 'Pat and the Buchananites' (coming this weekend to a lounge near you, 2 shows, 8:30 and 11:00, feel free to sing along, but sorry - no dancing) because I think he is the exact opposite of what you seem to believe. He is consistently impractical - constantly advocating 'solutions' that are not viable in a democratic society. Not only that, I do in fact question his scholarship, his reasoning process, his temperment, and sometimes (not often, but sometimes) his intelligence. I find him unreasonable, out of touch, and self aggrandizing.

Pat Buchanan, by his own machinations, has made himself irrelevant to all but a small small minority on the fringe of American politics. He has no power other than his ability to antagonize and outrage. This article is just more of the same.

[Lazamataz]

When, I wonder, is Buchanan finally, at long last, going to drop the (admittedly flimsy) disguise and declare himself for what he truly is?

I think his question "Why destroy Hitler?" is his official coming-out party.

[ArrogantBustard]

I suppose you're one of those poor souls who needs to see "< sarcasm>" tags ...

I am annoyed by the incessant fuss and feathers over a defeated, destroyed, and discredited evil ideology (National Socialism) when an even more evil ideology (International Communism), which still exists as a force in world politics, largely gets a pass.

[Modernman]

Look at the relative ease and speed of denazification of Germany (or de-fascization of Italy) and compare with the difficulty of decommunization in Russia.

The difference is, we occupied Germany, Italy and Japan at the end of WWII. Nothing comparable happened to Russia at the end of the Cold War.

[Blessed]

"Pat jumps the shark on this line. Hitler invaded France long before we entered WWII. And Hitler declared war on us before we declared war on him.<

No you are showing your lack of reading comprehension.England and France told Hitler they would not allow him to invade Poland.This was an indefensible position because they could not enforce it.By going to war over Poland it gave Hitler an excuse to invade Western Europe.This is a legitimate anaysis of the hisory.Some on Free Republic have become to quick to classify legitimate scholarship and analysis as "jumping the shark" based on their own lack of study.

[MEGoody]

Yes, WWII was very much worth it.

[OB1kNOb]

Buchanan isn't worth it either. Just a washed up old Alz candidate.

[.38sw]

Fighting Hitler might not have saved the Poles from 40 years of Communism, but it saved them from 6 years of gas chambers that led to roughly 4 million Poles killed. And if Nazi Germany had been allowed to stay in power, there might not have been a Poland able to rise from the ashes in the late 80s and early 90s. Oh, and that little thing about 6 million Jews dead.

I guess Pat didn't think about these points. You did, and thanks for articulating them.

[Rembrandt_fan]

I did read the entire article, thanks. No one smeared Buchanan here. Buchanan smears himself every time he puts pen to paper or opens his big, fat, Hitler-loving mouth.

[MEGoody]

"He said that we had basically fought for six years and really accomplished nothing."

Then Churchill was wrong.

[ariamne]

Then why not say that Communism should not get a pass, rather than get annoyed by the "press" that Nazism gets. I understand the anger engendered by the weak condemnation of Communism, but don't see why it must be compared to the comdemnation of Nazism. Unless of course, there's another issue here..

[Blessed]

"I'm not sure what he could have done differently regarding the Soviet Union's occupation of central and eastern Europe after the war - unless he would have waged war with the Soviets after Hitler's fall<

Pat say's roosevelt could have handled it by making Stalin give up claim to all the countries he and Hitler divied up before we sent all the armament to him.roosevelt was rolled with the help of Alger Hiss way before Yalta.

[Alberta's Child]

I'm not sure that Germany is really as denazified as we would like to think it is . . .

Germany? You've got to be kidding me. How about the United States in 2005?

[yarddog]

Then Churchill was wrong.

You may be right. We (England) were actually worse off than before the war.

[dirtboy]

Pat say's roosevelt could have handled it by making Stalin give up claim to all the countries he and Hitler divied up before we sent all the armament to him.roosevelt was rolled with the help of Alger Hiss way before Yalta.

And, like I said, exactly how would we make Stalin give up those countries?

By force. Stalin wasn't the type to listen to "pretty, pretty please."

Do you really think the American people would have supported such a war after all the blood and treasure we lost to remove Hitler?

[Former Dodger]

Hear, hear, EveningStar; thanks for sharing this.

Just what we needed, Buchanan making Lawrence O'Donnell look reasonable.

[Crusher138]

I get so tired of my leftie friends throwing him up in my face as a tu quoque.

We all have our crosses to bear.

But sometimes it seems Pat is burning his...

[Paul_B]

I simply can't read this guy. Proclaiming themselves wise, they became fools..

[MEGoody]

"England and France told Hitler they would not allow him to invade Poland.This was an indefensible position because they could not enforce it.By going to war over Poland it gave Hitler an excuse to invade Western Europe."

Which, again, took place before the U.S. entered the war.

"legitimate scholarship and analysis"

Any legitimate scholarship and analysis would lead one to the conclusion that WWII had to be fought unless we all wanted to be speaking German and saying "Heil Hitler."