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DNA: The Tiny Code That's Toppling Evolution
Good News Magazine ^ | May 2005 | Mario Seiglie

Posted on 05/06/2005 7:36:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC

DNA: The Tiny Code That's Toppling Evolution

As scientists explore a new universe—the universe inside the cell—they are making startling discoveries of information systems more complex than anything ever devised by humanity's best minds. How did they get there, and what does it mean for the theory of evolution?

by Mario Sieglie

Two great achievements occurred in 1953, more than half a century ago.

The first was the successful ascent of Mt. Everest, the highest mountain in the world. Sir Edmund Hillary and his guide, Tenzing Norgay, reached the summit that year, an accomplishment that's still considered the ultimate feat for mountain climbers. Since then, more than a thousand mountaineers have made it to the top, and each year hundreds more attempt it.

Yet the second great achievement of 1953 has had a greater impact on the world. Each year, many thousands join the ranks of those participating in this accomplishment, hoping to ascend to fame and fortune.

It was in 1953 that James Watson and Francis Crick achieved what appeared impossible—discovering the genetic structure deep inside the nucleus of our cells. We call this genetic material DNA, an abbreviation for deoxyribonucleic acid.

The discovery of the double-helix structure of the DNA molecule opened the floodgates for scientists to examine the code embedded within it. Now, more than half a century after the initial discovery, the DNA code has been deciphered—although many of its elements are still not well understood.

What has been found has profound implications regarding Darwinian evolution, the theory taught in schools all over the world that all living beings have evolved by natural processes through mutation and natural selection.

Amazing revelations about DNA

As scientists began to decode the human DNA molecule, they found something quite unexpected—an exquisite 'language' composed of some 3 billion genetic letters. "One of the most extraordinary discoveries of the twentieth century," says Dr. Stephen Meyer, director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, Wash., "was that DNA actually stores information—the detailed instructions for assembling proteins—in the form of a four-character digital code" (quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case for a Creator, 2004, p. 224).

It is hard to fathom, but the amount of information in human DNA is roughly equivalent to 12 sets of The Encyclopaedia Britannica—an incredible 384 volumes" worth of detailed information that would fill 48 feet of library shelves!

Yet in their actual size—which is only two millionths of a millimeter thick—a teaspoon of DNA, according to molecular biologist Michael Denton, could contain all the information needed to build the proteins for all the species of organisms that have ever lived on the earth, and "there would still be enough room left for all the information in every book ever written" (Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, 1996, p. 334).

Who or what could miniaturize such information and place this enormous number of 'letters' in their proper sequence as a genetic instruction manual? Could evolution have gradually come up with a system like this?

DNA contains a genetic language

Let's first consider some of the characteristics of this genetic 'language.' For it to be rightly called a language, it must contain the following elements: an alphabet or coding system, correct spelling, grammar (a proper arrangement of the words), meaning (semantics) and an intended purpose.

Scientists have found the genetic code has all of these key elements. "The coding regions of DNA," explains Dr. Stephen Meyer, "have exactly the same relevant properties as a computer code or language" (quoted by Strobel, p. 237, emphasis in original).

The only other codes found to be true languages are all of human origin. Although we do find that dogs bark when they perceive danger, bees dance to point other bees to a source and whales emit sounds, to name a few examples of other species" communication, none of these have the composition of a language. They are only considered low-level communication signals.

The only types of communication considered high-level are human languages, artificial languages such as computer and Morse codes and the genetic code. No other communication system has been found to contain the basic characteristics of a language.

Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, commented that "DNA is like a software program, only much more complex than anything we've ever devised."

Can you imagine something more intricate than the most complex program running on a supercomputer being devised by accident through evolution—no matter how much time, how many mutations and how much natural selection are taken into account?

DNA language not the same as DNA molecule

Recent studies in information theory have come up with some astounding conclusions—namely, that information cannot be considered in the same category as matter and energy. It's true that matter or energy can carry information, but they are not the same as information itself.

For instance, a book such as Homer's Iliad contains information, but is the physical book itself information? No, the materials of the book—the paper, ink and glue contain the contents, but they are only a means of transporting it.

If the information in the book was spoken aloud, written in chalk or electronically reproduced in a computer, the information does not suffer qualitatively from the means of transporting it. "In fact the content of the message," says professor Phillip Johnson, "is independent of the physical makeup of the medium" (Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds, 1997, p. 71).

The same principle is found in the genetic code. The DNA molecule carries the genetic language, but the language itself is independent of its carrier. The same genetic information can be written in a book, stored in a compact disk or sent over the Internet, and yet the quality or content of the message has not changed by changing the means of conveying it.

As George Williams puts it: "The gene is a package of information, not an object. The pattern of base pairs in a DNA molecule specifies the gene. But the DNA molecule is the medium, it's not the message" (quoted by Johnson, p. 70).

Information from an intelligent source

In addition, this type of high-level information has been found to originate only from an intelligent source.

As Lee Strobel explains: "The data at the core of life is not disorganized, it's not simply orderly like salt crystals, but it's complex and specific information that can accomplish a bewildering task—the building of biological machines that far outstrip human technological capabilities" (p. 244).

For instance, the precision of this genetic language is such that the average mistake that is not caught turns out to be one error per 10 billion letters. If a mistake occurs in one of the most significant parts of the code, which is in the genes, it can cause a disease such as sickle-cell anemia. Yet even the best and most intelligent typist in the world couldn't come close to making only one mistake per 10 billion letters—far from it.

So to believe that the genetic code gradually evolved in Darwinian style would break all the known rules of how matter, energy and the laws of nature work. In fact, there has not been found in nature any example of one information system inside the cell gradually evolving into another functional information program.

Michael Behe, a biochemist and professor at Pennsylvania's Lehigh University, explains that genetic information is primarily an instruction manual and gives some examples.

He writes: "Consider a step-by-step list of [genetic] instructions. A mutation is a change in one of the lines of instructions. So instead of saying, "Take a 1/4-inch nut," a mutation might say, "Take a 3/8-inch nut." Or instead of "Place the round peg in the round hole," we might get "Place the round peg in the square hole" . . . What a mutation cannot do is change all the instructions in one step—say, [providing instructions] to build a fax machine instead of a radio" (Darwin's Black Box, 1996, p. 41).

We therefore have in the genetic code an immensely complex instruction manual that has been majestically designed by a more intelligent source than human beings.

Even one of the discoverers of the genetic code, the agnostic and recently deceased Francis Crick, after decades of work on deciphering it, admitted that "an honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going" (Life Itself, 1981, p. 88, emphasis added).

Evolution fails to provide answers

It is good to remember that, in spite of all the efforts of all the scientific laboratories around the world working over many decades, they have not been able to produce so much as a single human hair. How much more difficult is it to produce an entire body consisting of some 100 trillion cells!

Up to now, Darwinian evolutionists could try to counter their detractors with some possible explanations for the complexity of life. But now they have to face the information dilemma: How can meaningful, precise information be created by accident—by mutation and natural selection? None of these contain the mechanism of intelligence, a requirement for creating complex information such as that found in the genetic code.

Darwinian evolution is still taught in most schools as though it were fact. But it is increasingly being found wanting by a growing number of scientists. "As recently as twenty-five years ago," says former atheist Patrick Glynn, "a reasonable person weighing the purely scientific evidence on the issue would likely have come down on the side of skepticism [regarding a Creator]. That is no longer the case." He adds: "Today the concrete data point strongly in the direction of the God hypothesis. It is the simplest and most obvious solution . . ." (God: The Evidence, 1997, pp. 54-55, 53).

Quality of genetic information the same

Evolution tells us that through chance mutations and natural selection, living things evolve. Yet to evolve means to gradually change certain aspects of some living thing until it becomes another type of creature, and this can only be done by changing the genetic information.

So what do we find about the genetic code? The same basic quality of information exists in a humble bacteria or a plant as in a person. A bacterium has a shorter genetic code, but qualitatively it gives instructions as precisely and exquisitely as that of a human being. We find the same prerequisites of a language—alphabet, grammar and semantics—in simple bacteria and algae as in man.

Each cell with genetic information, from bacteria to man, according to molecular biologist Michael Denton, consists of "artificial languages and their decoding systems, memory banks for information storage and retrieval, elegant control systems regulating the automated assembly of parts and components, error fail-safe and proof-reading devices utilized for quality control, assembly processes involving the principle of prefabrication and modular construction . . . [and a] capacity not equalled in any of our most advanced machines, for it would be capable of replicating its entire structure within a matter of a few hours" (Denton, p. 329).

So how could the genetic information of bacteria gradually evolve into information for another type of being, when only one or a few minor mistakes in the millions of letters in that bacterium's DNA can kill it?

Again, evolutionists are uncharacteristically silent on the subject. They don't even have a working hypothesis about it. Lee Strobel writes: "The six feet of DNA coiled inside every one of our body's one hundred trillion cells contains a four-letter chemical alphabet that spells out precise assembly instructions for all the proteins from which our bodies are made . . . No hypothesis has come close to explaining how information got into biological matter by naturalistic means" (Strobel, p. 282).

Werner Gitt, professor of information systems, puts it succinctly: "The basic flaw of all evolutionary views is the origin of the information in living beings. It has never been shown that a coding system and semantic information could originate by itself [through matter] . . . The information theorems predict that this will never be possible. A purely material origin of life is thus [ruled out]" (Gitt, p. 124).

The clincher

Besides all the evidence we have covered for the intelligent design of DNA information, there is still one amazing fact remaining—the ideal number of genetic letters in the DNA code for storage and translation.

Moreover, the copying mechanism of DNA, to meet maximum effectiveness, requires the number of letters in each word to be an even number. Of all possible mathematical combinations, the ideal number for storage and transcription has been calculated to be four letters.

This is exactly what has been found in the genes of every living thing on earth—a four-letter digital code. As Werner Gitt states: "The coding system used for living beings is optimal from an engineering standpoint. This fact strengthens the argument that it was a case of purposeful design rather that a [lucky] chance" (Gitt, p. 95).

More witnesses

Back in Darwin's day, when his book On the Origin of Species was published in 1859, life appeared much simpler. Viewed through the primitive microscopes of the day, the cell appeared to be but a simple blob of jelly or uncomplicated protoplasm. Now, almost 150 years later, that view has changed dramatically as science has discovered a virtual universe inside the cell.

"It was once expected," writes Professor Behe, "that the basis of life would be exceedingly simple. That expectation has been smashed. Vision, motion, and other biological functions have proven to be no less sophisticated than television cameras and automobiles. Science has made enormous progress in understanding how the chemistry of life works, but the elegance and complexity of biological systems at the molecular level have paralyzed science's attempt to explain their origins" (Behe, p. x).

Dr. Meyer considers the recent discoveries about DNA as the Achilles" heel of evolutionary theory. He observes: "Evolutionists are still trying to apply Darwin's nineteenth-century thinking to a twenty-first century reality, and it's not working ... I think the information revolution taking place in biology is sounding the death knell for Darwinism and chemical evolutionary theories" (quoted by Strobel, p. 243).

Dr. Meyer's conclusion? "I believe that the testimony of science supports theism. While there will always be points of tension or unresolved conflict, the major developments in science in the past five decades have been running in a strongly theistic direction" (ibid., p. 77).

Dean Kenyon, a biology professor who repudiated his earlier book on Darwinian evolution—mostly due to the discoveries of the information found in DNA—states: "This new realm of molecular genetics (is) where we see the most compelling evidence of design on the Earth" (ibid., p. 221).

Just recently, one of the world's most famous atheists, Professor Antony Flew, admitted he couldn't explain how DNA was created and developed through evolution. He now accepts the need for an intelligent source to have been involved in the making of the DNA code.

"What I think the DNA material has done is show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinary diverse elements together," he said (quoted by Richard Ostling, "Leading Atheist Now Believes in God," Associated Press report, Dec. 9, 2004).

"Fearfully and wonderfully made"

Although written thousands of years ago, King David's words about our marvelous human bodies still ring true. He wrote: "For You formed my inward parts, You covered me in my mother's womb. I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made . . . My frame was not hidden from You, when I was made in secret, and skillfully wrought. . ." (Psalm 139:13-15, emphasis added).

Where does all this leave evolution? Michael Denton, an agnostic scientist, concludes: "Ultimately the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmogenic myth of the twentieth century" (Denton, p. 358).

All of this has enormous implications for our society and culture. Professor Johnson makes this clear when he states: "Every history of the twentieth century lists three thinkers as preeminent in influence: Darwin, Marx and Freud. All three were regarded as 'scientific' (and hence far more reliable than anything 'religious') in their heyday.

"Yet Marx and Freud have fallen, and even their dwindling bands of followers no longer claim that their insights were based on any methodology remotely comparable to that of experimental science. I am convinced that Darwin is next on the block. His fall will be by far the mightiest of the three" (Johnson, p. 113).

Evolution has had its run for almost 150 years in the schools and universities and in the press. But now, with the discovery of what the DNA code is all about, the complexity of the cell, and the fact that information is something vastly different from matter and energy, evolution can no longer dodge the ultimate outcome. The evidence certainly points to a resounding checkmate for evolution! GN


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To: John Valentine
If there is information in DNA, then that "information" ought to be just as useful, or perhaps I should say utilitarian, if carried by some other medium, just like "War and Peace" is "war and Peace" whether printed on paper or stored on a CD ROM. But, it is demonstably false that the amino acid sequences of DNA have any utility expressed in any other form.

Oh? I guess you better tell that to all the lawyers who are using DNA evidence in court cases. This particular information is considered so reliable for identification that decades old crimes are being solved. Is that useful?

241 posted on 05/07/2005 8:07:15 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: zeugma
Well, I believe Stephen Hawkings answered that particular question something along these lines... It is pointless to even speculate about what came before the BB, because nothing that happened before that event could have any bearing upon what happened after it. There could well have been some really interesting things going on before the singularity (or whatever it was) expanded into the universe we see, but it doesn't matter because it just doesn't matter.
I think that's one reason Hawkings and Pope John Paul got along. The Pope said you shouldn't inquire about what was before the big bang, and Hawkings said "sure thing. It doesn't matter anyway." :-)

And from a purely scientific point of view it doesn't matter because the laws of physical science do not apply. That's truly where science and religion become one. :-)

244 posted on 05/07/2005 8:26:50 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: bobbdobbs
Ah, but what if all the witnesses are biased based on the same philosophy? What if all the witnesses are, so to speak, in the same 'gang?' Do you trust them, and the 'evidence' they claim, or do you take into consideration their bias?

The scientific community has not been honest about evolution, since they precluded one of the possibilities before they searched for the data, so they are not reliable 'witnesses.'

You are free to believe what you have been told, but you should at least do so with a questioning (i.e. truly scientific) mind.

246 posted on 05/07/2005 8:31:44 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: bobbdobbs
Not really. When science doesn't know it says it doesn't know. Religion always claims to know.

I think that's kind of a generality on both accounts. I've read these threads where evolutionists state that with certainity that evolution IS what happened.

The motivation of science and religion are different. Science deals with messy uncertainty, religion seeks the comfort of certainty

I'm not sure of your religious background, but I can tell you that when I answered God's calling I had to abandon all certainty I thought I had. One of the things I was certain about was evolution. Accepting God is taking a great step into the unknown and going by faith.

248 posted on 05/07/2005 8:44:54 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: sigSEGV

A mathemetician, who's name escapes me, has calculated that not enough time has elapsed since Earth's founding in order for there to be enough mutations to have taken place to result in a human. Considering the number of cells, 100 trillion, he may be right.


250 posted on 05/07/2005 8:55:06 AM PDT by midnightson (Mama-the ultimate prognosticator- said there'd be days like this.)
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To: Pan_Yan
If you believe in a Creator, and you're wrong, what have you lost? Nothing If you do not believe in a Creator and you're wrong, ... Everything
251 posted on 05/07/2005 9:06:49 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: plain talk

Thank you.


252 posted on 05/07/2005 9:07:50 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: DouglasKC
I think the argument is that DNA is too complex to have happened by chance or random occurrence.

Please state the maximum complexity which can occur randomly and give your sources.

BTW, random variation is part of evolution, but so is natural selection. The joint operation of both is a convergence upon adaptation to current conditions. This joint operation of both is not random.

253 posted on 05/07/2005 9:14:11 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: jdhljc169
Whatever BEGINS to exist has a cause. Does God have a beginning?

Good point!

254 posted on 05/07/2005 9:21:12 AM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: ohioWfan
The original purpose of evolution was to find a way to explain origins WITHOUT miracles...........to debunk Genesis.

This characterization fits geology more closely than biology. Thomas Burnet's SACRED THEORY OF THE EARTH gave a naturalistic, but pious, account of earth history drawing on the assumption of a cataclysm corresponding to the Noachic Flood. He was a contemporary of Newton, and his mixing of naturalism with scripture was condemned as atheistic, and his church career foundered. By the time of Lyell, in the mid 1800's, the diluvialists were making their final stand.

255 posted on 05/07/2005 9:22:03 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: ClaireSolt

Bookmarked!


256 posted on 05/07/2005 9:26:37 AM PDT by bondserv (Alignment is critical! †)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Good post. It is incredulous how closed-minded evo's are about any challenges to their dogma. There is a sort of PC atmosphere around evolution and global warming. Their tactics are to ridicule anyone who even questions how evolution could account for the complexities. They have circled the wagons and are scared critters defending their dogma like some new age religion.


257 posted on 05/07/2005 9:42:30 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: bobbdobbs
Your bias is now clear.

Any new evidence that refutes your theory will be dismissed as "lame." and the product of some evil creationist conspiracy.

Why do you suppose it is that after more than 150 years, the theory of evolution is questioned by so many scientists........not all 'creationists?'

Why has your theory changed 'facts' repeatedly over the years if the 'facts' are valid in the first place?

Evolution was based on a materialistic philosophy that has been discounted, but the 'science' it is based upon keeps changing, as each theory is disproven.

You don't believe in the 'facts' of the Scopes trial any more than I do, yet you cling to the theory that its basis is valid.

Have you ever asked yourself why?

258 posted on 05/07/2005 9:47:58 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: dr_lew
But the biological theory was created in conjunction with the geologic theory.

Diluvialists have not made a 'final stand.'

For millenia all cultures understood that the earth could not have begun without a higher intelligence.

It's only in the last 200 years that scientists got stupid and came up with a theory that defies all logic....

259 posted on 05/07/2005 9:52:22 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: plain talk

"Good post. It is incredulous how closed-minded evo's are about any challenges to their dogma. There is a sort of PC atmosphere around evolution and global warming. Their tactics are to ridicule anyone who even questions how evolution could account for the complexities. They have circled the wagons and are scared critters defending their dogma like some new age religion."

What bothers me most, is I see people who appear to be chemist, physicist etc., or at least are well versed in presenting points, make it sound like this is simply a issue between science and religion. They have swallowed the bait so fully they have not a clue as how the total picture behind evolution has come about, from a philsophical viewpoint as well as the many years of trying by some to make the theory become a reality within the scientfic communities. Meanwhile the minions in large numbers, who have no background nor have the abilities to wade through tons of books and articles on the issues, simply think the whole world of science supports some form of evolution. They watch TV shows such as Nova, Nature, NG, etc., believing evolution is an established fact. Then when you try to reason with those such as we read in this post, that try to make it sound like the public school systems have a perfect right to teach evolution, but not ID for instance, because it is a religious dogma and therefore not allowed to enter the public domain, they show their total ignorance to the real issues at hand, and signal to me they really do not have a scientifically based background in all those diciplines that go into supporting the theory of evolution. They cannot accept the idea there are thousands of scientist and educators, some deans of colleges etc., that believe the many forms of evolution presented as being factual are simply wrong, based on the evidence shown by carefull analysis within those particular branches of science. They seem to not be able to phantom the idea that Intellegient Design is based on current understandings of how life operates. They seldom if at all grasp the warnings by scientist who write articles, papers, etc., pro evolution, that the authors often make the point, that it is only a theory, and has an extremly low probability of correctness.
Hell, one only has to read a 1950's presented paper on Organic Evolution by George Wald from Berkley and see where he goes on and on with theories but then makes it clear that no known mechanisms based on how the chemistries could happen in reality. Put another way. Many of these peoples that push the theory, are in essence writing science fiction. Their minds allow them to write about things that in a lab prove it cannot happen, but they dream on, and they suck the masses into thinking they have proposed a solid piece of scientific evidence supporting the theory. Then the coup de grace, is when the minions start blabing about how so many things in science fiction came to be........it is quite sad at best. The blind leading the very very willing blind.


260 posted on 05/07/2005 10:11:21 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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