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Newfound Dinosaur a Transitional Creature
Las Vegas Sun (AP) ^ | May 04, 2005 | Malcolm Ritter

Posted on 05/04/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

Caught in the act of evolution, the odd-looking, feathered dinosaur was becoming more vegetarian, moving away from its meat-eating ancestors.

It had the built-for-speed legs of meat-eaters, but was developing the bigger belly of plant-eaters. It had already lost the serrated teeth needed for tearing flesh. Those were replaced with the smaller, duller vegetarian variety.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; transitionalfossil
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To: Gumlegs

Touche'


281 posted on 05/04/2005 7:28:41 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

;>)


282 posted on 05/04/2005 7:31:35 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: furball4paws
For sure, it was what they liked to hear. I saw the same PBS special but don't remember too much of the biographical details.
283 posted on 05/04/2005 7:32:44 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Devil must have put transitional fossils in the ground again to confuse everyone.

Like the Archaeopteryx, it's ambiguous data. Is it a transitional creature or a fully formed and functional creature? The problem with the fossil record is that it typically shows species entering into and disappearing from the fossil record without change. Stasis is the norm. In fact, scientists are hard pressed to find one convincing transitional fossil, when the fossil record should exhibit nothing but transitional fossils.

284 posted on 05/04/2005 7:35:56 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Gumlegs

Does the monniker "Putz Head" (Senator Schumer) fit?


285 posted on 05/04/2005 7:36:27 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: AndrewC

Interesting post on Meyer. Thanks.


286 posted on 05/04/2005 7:36:32 PM PDT by scripter (Tens of thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle)
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To: furball4paws

Fit whom?


287 posted on 05/04/2005 7:38:47 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Aquinasfan
Is it a transitional creature or a fully formed and functional creature?

It takes a creationist to set up a dichotomy between "transitional" and "fully formed and functional" and try to sneak it by. How do you know you're "fully formed and functional" by the standards of some later life form?

When I walk, am I not fully formed and functional or just not fully located?

288 posted on 05/04/2005 7:38:52 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: furball4paws; Gumlegs

I hope I am not too oblique.


289 posted on 05/04/2005 7:39:03 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Like the Archaeopteryx, it's ambiguous data.

The only thing ambiguous about Archy is whether he goes in the bird bin or the dinosaur bin. You could flip a coin, he's THAT transitional.

As long as you've been around, this kind of ignorance does not look good. How many previous posts have "corrected" your ICR/whatever talking points?

290 posted on 05/04/2005 7:40:52 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Is it a transitional creature or a fully formed and functional creature?

You obviously are confused. A transitional creature is a fully formed and functional creature. Otherwise it would'nt live to reproduce.

The key point is that a transitional creature has an ancestor and a descendant that show a progression of evolutionary changes. Like much of the fossil record. Saying all fossils are transitional creatures is an overstatement. Some of them died out, the rest ARE transitional.

291 posted on 05/04/2005 7:41:47 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Gumlegs

Damn obliquity - your original picture.

Sigh. Not only does my keyboard grow old and more mistake prone, but my sense of continuity also has sprung leaks. I have to remember that what's obvious to me doesn't necessarily translate to others.


292 posted on 05/04/2005 7:43:19 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws

If anybody calls you too oblique, you just sent him over to me.


293 posted on 05/04/2005 7:43:41 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Dinsdale
The key point is that a transitional creature has an ancestor and a descendant that show a progression of evolutionary changes.

This is pure, baseless speculation. Again, the fossil record typically (always?) shows creatures entering and leaving the fossil record, over great periods of time, with the same morphology.

294 posted on 05/04/2005 7:45:04 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: VadeRetro
The only thing ambiguous about Archy is whether he goes in the bird bin or the dinosaur bin. You could flip a coin, he's THAT transitional.

Kind of like the platypus, which is a transitional form between ducks, muskrats and kangaroos. It's THAT transitional.

And like all other species found in the fossil record, the seven examples of the Archaeopteryx look exactly the same.

295 posted on 05/04/2005 7:51:58 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Dimensio

Do you have a reference for that? I haven't been able to find it yet.


296 posted on 05/04/2005 8:04:04 PM PDT by johnnyb_61820
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To: mlc9852
Humans and other animals eat plants and meat so I'm not sure what the big story is here.

I think the surprise was that this dinosaur was an omnivore, while other, later, members of this species or genus were strictly herbivores. Also, these fossils were found in an area where fossils of this particular animal have not been seen.

297 posted on 05/04/2005 8:07:59 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Again, the fossil record typically (always?) shows creatures entering and leaving the fossil record, over great periods of time, with the same morphology.

False.

Look up the progress of fossilized proto-horses. Loads of demonstrably transitional forms in a well studied line with lots of fossilized remains. The simple fact is that a 8 hand proto-horse is a transitional between a 6 hand proto-horse and a 10 hand proto-horse.

The fossil record shows creatures morphology changing over time. The only creatures whos morphology does'nt change are "optimized" for environments that don't change (e.g. sharks, 'crocs).

It is not baseless speculation, it is based on the fossil record and the well established theory of evolution.

Your namesake did'nt like dishonesty. Willfull ignorence is dishonesty.

298 posted on 05/04/2005 8:21:00 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: hosepipe
I didn't lie.. I misunderstood what you meant.. by "made up"..

My question was not ambiguous. I asked you to cite the source of your claim that the "fakes" were all exposed by scientists who do not accept evolution.

As far as I know "the fakes" that I've read about were "fakes"..

And you claim that "non-evo" scientists exposed them, yet you cannot demonstrate that this claim is true.
299 posted on 05/04/2005 8:38:36 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Do you know how many insults I receive in the course of a single day around here?

Not nearly enough.

300 posted on 05/04/2005 8:41:16 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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