Posted on 05/04/2005 6:14:57 AM PDT by KidGlock
Cool and awesome. I'm guessing that's what most of the fellows learned throughout their formative years in public schools, where it's more important to learn "tolerance" than math. On the other hand, I'm not sure what he expected his teammates to say. They probably couldn't care less, and nor should we.
no, he has ONE mother. No mother(s) BS.
His mother has a recreational sex partner of the same sex. She is nothing to him. He does have a father unknown somewhere.
It is nothing to be admired that this woman has sustained a sex fetish for thirty years. Should we admire an animal sex fetishist who uses the same dog for the life of the dog?
This is just this BAD BASEBALL PLAYER desperatly trying to stay in the major leagues. He is trying to use PC to creat a non-existent controversy.
If anything the chances that he has psychological problems, based on a new zeland study of about 200 homosexual women raising children, is far HIGHER because he was raise in an alternative lifestyle setting.
If his mother really cared about her son, she would have spent those thirty years worrying less about her orgasm and more about her son's normal upbrining.
Seems the only thing his ONE mother succeded in creating is a self centered and petulant child in a baseball uniform.
I'm not saying it. The traditional Catechism says it:
"In how many ways may we either cause or share the guilt of another's sin? We may either cause or share the guilt of another's sin in nine ways:
1. By counsel
2. By command
3. By consent
4. By provocation
5. By Praise or Flattery
6. By concealment
7. By being a partner in sin
8. By silence
9. By defending the ill done."
Canon Francis Ripley, This is the Faith, p. 55 [see also A Catechism of Christian Doctrine]
I understand that he has just one mother. And the *mother's* sins are not the son's.
I do not agree with this lifestyle. In many ways it had to be very difficult to grow up in this environment. But a child trusts their parent, and believes their parent. I wouldn't expect this young man to turn on his mother (certainly not publicly). What else does he know? She/they took care of him. That's all he knows.
parent? how androgynous PC.
He has a mother. He trusts his mother and he trusts the woman who his mother has recreational sex with.
Obscuring by adopting the PC thought control of the HRC serves no purpose. Where is this boys father?
I don't know where his father is. He could be dead, or he could have left the mother when she "discovered" she was gay? Did he have no further contact with his son?
If so, he abdicated his duty - or, maybe he is in the picture. But, do you know any courts that would take a boy away from his mother because of an "intolerant, homophobic" fathers rantings?
I don't disagree with your premise - that the mother was selfish in her wants. Her first duty was to her child.
So if his parents were crack addicts, he should be celebrating the wonders of drugs and expect others to share his joy and acceptance, since "that's all he knows"?
That's just a bit ridiculous.
It isn't the baseball player who is sinning, so his fellow baseball player doesn't need to comment on it. Talking about how the Mother is sinning certainly won't change the player's mind, nor his mother's, so why be rude about it? Just to satisfy some need to 'be a witness'? You can witness without saying a word, and sometimes that's the best way.
Homosexual Agenda Ping.
And the beat goes on - it's perfectly normal and natural to have two "mothers" or two "fathers" - even baseball players have "gay" families.
I haven't checked the thread yet, so I don't know if anyone has posted links to articles proving that kids raised by homosexuals have many more problems than kids in normal families. But it's true.
Two homosexuals raising children is not normal, not natural, and not healthy.
Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.
Still sore about that, huh? Look, pal, the knife cuts both ways. If it's supposed to be news when someone like Billy Bean says "I'm gay," there should be no problem when someone says, "I'm not, and stop saying that I am."
If you are going to tell me children who spend a lifetime watching people of the same gender engaging in intimate behavior turn out okay, that's a bit more ridiculous than what you suggest.
Again, Sean Casey is a Traditional Catholic. Traditional Catholicism teaches that silence in the face of the sin of another is itself a sin. That Valentine's mother and her pervert partner are sinning is beyond question. Valentine participates in their sin at the very least by consent and by praising their persistence in sin. Casey, according to his own purported belief system, would become an accessory to that sin by remaining silent while Valentine flaunts it.
Now, you and the ACLU can consider that "rude" or "forward" or "witnessing" or whatever you want, but you would be on the wrong side of almost 2000 years of Catholic Tradition. The consequences of that may be just dandy with you, but Mr. Casey has publicly expressed his belief in such a Tradition. My original post expressed curiosity as to what he may have said about Valentine's situation. I frankly couldn't care less what you would do, since you obviously don't share his beliefs. But thanks for sharing anyway.
No he wouldn't, because he has no contact with the women in question. Getting up in his teammate's face about it wouldn't change a thing, it would only close the teammate's mind to any good witness Casey might provide about his beliefs.
I'm about as orthodox Catholic as they come, but I've learned in my 52 years here on this earth that screaming, yelling and pointing fingers doesn't change minds as much as compassionate and purposeful witness does. I also learned, as a GRITS, that you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
When we were expecting our first child, we went to a doctor who was recommended by a couple in the Charismatic Covenant community of which we were part. I got the test done, found out I was indeed pregant, but before I went to the doc for the first time, I heard from another couple in the community that he performed abortions. Sir SuziQ made an appointment with him to discuss it personally. The doctor confirmed that he did, in fact, do abortions, but he considered it a compassionate thing to do for the poor women in his care. SSQ made the case that he wasn't helping them at all by killing their children, he was only causing more problems for them, psychologically, down the road. SSQ 'witnessed' by his calm discussion of his opinion, and told the doctor that we would NOT be using him as our OB. This doctor was a 'cultural Jew' at the time, and we found out a year later, that he had stopped doing abortions, was baptized and became a Christian. We like to think that SSQ's discussion might have sparked something in his heart that put him on that path.
ugh
Who said anything about "getting in someone's face", or "screaming, yelling, and pointing fingers"? Your frank discussion of your objections to your would-be OB/GYN sounds like it was appropriate, and eventually effective. You chose not to remain silent, in accordance with Traditional Catholic teachings, whether you had the specific admonition in mind or not. If Valentine is making a big deal about the wonderfulness of his mother's relationship with her pervert partner, Mr. casey is obliged by his beliefs to call a spade a spade, just as you did. Not yell, not scream, not get in anyone's face. Again, my original question pertains to whether or not he did so.
BTW, no "conservative Catholic" would be a part of a "Charismatic Covenant community". Must have been a youthful indiscretion. ;-)
Oh really, have you ever met any 'Charismatic' Catholics? Most orthodox folks I've met in a LONG time.
My contention stands. Casey would do no good by pointing out the sins of his temmates mother, no matter how good it might make HIM feel.
I had opened this hoping that somehow the pitcher in question could be John Rocker. But it was not meant to be.
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