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Kyoto already a big failure ("... a blunt political instrument to redistribute wealth")
Toronto Sun (Canada) ^ | Sunday, May 1, 2005 | PETER WORTHINGTON

Posted on 05/01/2005 10:18:50 AM PDT by GMMAC

Kyoto already a big failure
SCIENTISTS SUGGEST MAN-MADE EMISSIONS HAVE NO IMPACT

By PETER WORTHINGTON

TORONTO SUN
Sunday, May 1, 2005


FOR THOSE uneasy about the Kyoto Protocol -- which all Canadian political parties endorse and the media tend to go along with -- a wake-up call is being issued by an impressive array of scientists. In fact, it is more than that. It is a categorical refutation of the whole concept that SUVs and man-made emissions, especially carbon dioxide, have any discernible effect on the climate.

In other words, global warming is a myth. A political ploy.

The $10 billion that Canada supposedly will have to invest to live up to its pledge to reduce emissions 6% lower than they were in 1990, is not only unnecessary, but folly if we go through with it.

A 23-minute video has been prepared by the University of Calgary in co-operation with the non-profit Friends of Science Society that deserves to be seen by all Canadians.

Prof. Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from Carleton University, speaks for some 50 scientists who've contributed to the research. He puts it succinctly: "In the eight years since the Kyoto Protocol was introduced, there has been a revolution in climate science. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would not exist because we would have concluded it was not necessary."

A succession of scientists in Canada, the U.S., Germany, New Zealand, Finland, Russia, Norway, etc., all involved with environment issues and climatology, insist there is "absolutely no convincing scientific evidence that human-produced greenhouse gases, specifically carbon dioxide, is having a significant impact on global climate."

To the contrary, carbon dioxide is essential for life, is not toxic, and comprises barely 4% of greenhouse gases.

Since the U.S. rejects Kyoto and the protocol doesn't apply to India or China, Kyoto is already a failure, even if the science were true.

Instead, Kyoto is a blunt political instrument to redistribute wealth from rich to poor countries in the guise of saving humanity.

The video starts out showing an almost hysterical Jean Chretien shouting in the Commons that unless Kyoto is adopted, Canadians will be dying in 30 years because of bad air. His environment minister, David Anderson, calls global emissions the world's most severe problem -- "more severe even than terrorism."

David Suzuki waves his arms and says Kyoto is needed because "rich countries use more than their share of the atmosphere."(?) Opposition environment critic Bob Mills demands quick adoption, as do the NDP's Jack Layton, Finance Minister Ralph Goodale, and present Environment Minister Stephane Dion, whose passion verges on frenzy.

Then, in the video, scientists take over, and point out that the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is more political than scientific, and that its graphs and themes depicting greenhouse gases as a potential "climate catastrophe" can't be supported.

Scientifically, we know little about climate, which is always changing. We can't even predict the weather more than 10 days ahead, much less changes in climate.

The skeptical scientists argue the IPCC is a political body set up to supply evidence to support the theory that disaster lies ahead unless Kyoto is adopted. Canada doesn't question IPCC findings.

ADAPT CLIMATE CHANGE

These scientists say we shouldn't fight climate change, but adapt it. A collective letter spelling out their concerns was sent to then-PM Chretien in late 2002, and to Paul Martin a year ago; both to no avail.

I asked Dr. Doug Leahey, president of Friends of Science, if there are plans to put the video on TV. He said TV people have said its quality isn't up to broadcast standards -- which is ridiculous.

Instead, copies have been sent to journalists, influential individuals and every member of Parliament.

Fine, but why not buy air time?

"We haven't the money," says Dr. Leahey, bluntly.

To me, this is nuts. Surely companies or foundations that would benefit by saving the billions that Canada proposes to waste on Kyoto, could contribute to ensure a mass audience for this vital video?

It's one thing for people like me to scratch the surface, but quite another to see a succession of scientists cite evidence that Kyoto is folly and fable -- all in one 23-minute documentary. I'd argue that this is the most important video Canadians could see.

Finally, one positive if an election is called soon is that provisions in the coming budget to fight global warming would, as a Toronto Star editorial put it, "disappear into the ozone layer."

If so, that's another reason to have an election as soon as possible and save overtaxed citizens billions of wasted dollars.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: appliedmarxism; climatechange; corruption; envirofraud; environment; envirowhackos; green; kyoto; liberals; lies
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1 posted on 05/01/2005 10:18:51 AM PDT by GMMAC
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To: Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; Ryle; ...
Gospel according to Maurice Strong & Paul Martin refuted - PING!
2 posted on 05/01/2005 10:21:08 AM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

So is the video available on the internet?


3 posted on 05/01/2005 10:21:55 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Petronski
I want to know too. With bittorrent there is no excuse not to put the video on the Internet now.
4 posted on 05/01/2005 10:26:23 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: GMMAC

good post


5 posted on 05/01/2005 10:27:53 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: GMMAC

Uh oh, the Canadian enviro-socialists aren't going to like this. Global warming is the biggest scam perpetrated on the American public since One Hour Martinizing (to borrow a line from Seinfeld).


6 posted on 05/01/2005 10:29:20 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infidel since 1970.)
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To: GMMAC

Some good articles are available at www.intellicast.com by Dr. Joe D'Aleo. Here's an article that gets no play by the MSM:
http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1246/


7 posted on 05/01/2005 10:35:53 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Proud infidel since 1970.)
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To: GMMAC
The good news is that we don't have to go back to horses and buggies.

The potential bad news is as follows: There was an age back around 5000 - 8000 years or so ago called hypsothermal or hipsothermal or something like that, which was a great deal warmer than our present age and which corresponds roughly to the classical 'golden age' of ancient literature. And the reason they called it a 'golden age' instead of the age when everybody drowned was that this was before the Noachian flood and there simply was not as much water on the Earth at the time. If such an age were to recur today, the beachfront could easily be in West Virginia or Kentucky.

As a worst possible case, we will need to be able to move some of the excess water off the planet back into space where it came from and that will require control over gravity (which the USAF and Boeing are presently working on and call GRASP, or Gravity Reduction and Advanced Space Propulsion). Fifty years from now, we should be capable of that sort of thing.

8 posted on 05/01/2005 10:36:37 AM PDT by tahotdog
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To: bahblahbah; Petronski; GMMAC

Here's a link to the video online:

http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=3

It is downloadable in "chunks" so you don't have to do it all at once..


9 posted on 05/01/2005 10:39:39 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

Incidentally, the title is "Climate Catastrophy Cancelled"..

You may be able to find it through Google as a single download, but this is what I found..


10 posted on 05/01/2005 10:42:06 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: tahotdog

Well, I hope that you get a grasp non things sooner than that.


11 posted on 05/01/2005 10:44:51 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: tahotdog

Hooo, boy. What an imagination.


12 posted on 05/01/2005 10:51:43 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: tahotdog

There really is no potential bad news. For a change like you imagine, thousands of years will elapse. And the important waterfront will be walled off against the sea or we will move to higher ground. (We will have lots of time to do this, despite the catastrophy movies that will be made.) Note that mankind is not going to be the cause of the future warming any more than they were in the past.

As for launching water into space. Save it for the science fiction crowd. (10,000 gallons to beam up Scotty, maximum dispersion). The truth is that a warmer earth will lose some water vapor to space by kinetic gas properties. (More molecules will reach escape velocity, as some do today.)

But other forces will resist this heating process as warmer air and more CO2 will encourage plant and animal growth. And more Carbon will be taken out of the water by limestone producing processes.


13 posted on 05/01/2005 11:02:43 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: GMMAC

Kyoto would do nothing towards reducing greenhouse emissions.


14 posted on 05/01/2005 11:06:18 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: tahotdog
Or:

Higher temperatures cause more evaporation and rain - clouds that cool temperatures and rain that falls on the Antartic continent and are locked up in ice.

Thus far, the "global warming" claimed to be occurring is not reflected in rising sea levels.

Here's some good reading:

What's up with the weather?

15 posted on 05/01/2005 11:08:58 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: tahotdog
" If such an age were to recur today, the beachfront could easily be in West Virginia or Kentucky."

Well there you go, buy real estate in these areas. You'll be rich one day.

16 posted on 05/01/2005 11:33:48 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
Well there you go, buy real estate in these areas. You'll be rich one day.

I'm investing in property around Lawrence, KS..
According to Edgar Cayce, (the sleeping prophet) when the midwest turns into a "great inland sea", Lawrence will become a flourishing seaport..
Uhhh.. Sometime in the next 200 years or so.. ;oP

17 posted on 05/01/2005 11:58:13 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Right. It's only about reducing the emissions of certain places.

Which places? The answer is left as an exercise for the reader.

18 posted on 05/01/2005 12:06:10 PM PDT by thulldud (It's bad luck to be superstitious.)
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To: GMMAC

bump


19 posted on 05/01/2005 12:11:15 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: GMMAC
Prof. Tim Patterson, a paleoclimatologist from Carleton University, speaks for some 50 scientists who've contributed to the research. He puts it succinctly: "In the eight years since the Kyoto Protocol was introduced, there has been a revolution in climate science.

Sorry, bozo, there were a lot of scientists back then who knew better, only the rest of you clumpheads weren't listening... http://www.sepp.org/pressrel/petition.html

20 posted on 05/01/2005 12:17:18 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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