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New class criticizes 'U' admissions
Michigan Daily ^ | 29 apr 05 | Amber Colvin

Posted on 04/29/2005 12:11:14 PM PDT by white trash redneck

A Residential College class titled "Race and University Admissions" will be taking a closer look at two 2003 U.S. Supreme Court cases regarding the University's race-conscious admissions process this fall. The mini-course will concentrate on the plaintiffs' position that race-based admissions are unjust.

Grutter v. Bollinger challenged the Law School's race-conscious admissions system, which was upheld, while Gratz v. Bollinger managed to strike down the point-based affirmative action system that the College of Literature, Science and Arts employed.

Philosophy Prof. Carl Cohen, an outspoken critic of the University's race-conscious admissions policies and affirmative action in general, will be teaching the class and has openly stated in the course description that the class will not provide a balanced discussion of the issue.

Cohen said the course is a response to the University's supportive stance on affirmative action.

"My view normally is that professors ought not take a position on matters of a controversial matter, but on this very complicated subject ... the University takes a very strong position," Cohen said. "So I thought it would not be inappropriate for me to speak vigorously for it to balance that controversial activity."

The class will include visits from Jennifer Gratz and Barbara Grutter, the plaintiffs from the two cases.

Cohen said he asked the administration for permission to teach a course designed to present the position of Gratz and Grutter. He said that because the University only presents one side of the argument, he should be able to do the same thing in the classroom.

"I'm making no bones about the fact that I'm not going to be presenting a balanced two sides of the case," Cohen said. "I'm going to be doing what the University does all the time."

Michigan Student Assembly representative Melton Lee said that while classes about affirmative action are important, they should present a more balanced discussion.

"I definitely think courses on affirmative action need to be taught here, since Michigan is at the center of the debate, but I don't see the educational value in a course that's openly biased," said Lee, an LSA junior.

"I think it's highly unethical for Cohen to use his faculty position and University resources to further his political agenda," he added.

LSA senior Evan Major said he agreed that the class should present both sides of the issue and said he hoped the class did not turn into a pedestal for Cohen's position.

"(Cohen) is a very outspoken individual on one side of that issue, and if he's doing it in the classroom, I'd be not so thrilled with the University for letting that happen," Major said.

Rackham student Kate Stenvig, who has run for MSA president under the Defend Affirmative Action Party three times over the past three years, said she could not see the class opening up any debate or providing any educational value.

"I think there needs to be more debate on the campus about affirmative action, but this class taught by Carl Cohen does not encourage that debate," Stenvig said. "I can't even imagine what would be talked about in the class aside from abstract statistics that he's going to obsess over that are not in any way related to why affirmative action exists."

The course is worth one credit and will last for five weeks. Cohen said he would also invite the attorneys from the cases and University administrators.

"If I could get President Coleman on the debating podium, I would love to do it, but I doubt that she would meet me," Cohen said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: aa; affirmativeaction; gratz; grutter; michigan; quotas; racism
This is a remarkable development that Prof. Cohen is going to be teaching a course opposed to affirmative action, at the U of Michigan, right in the belly of the beast, as it were. I also applaud his coming right out and announcing his bias - far be it from the leftie professors to be so honest.

The protests from the leftie students about the course's lack of balance, and Cohen's being "unethical" wouldn't be so laughable if leftie professors followed Cohen's example with regard to honesty.

1 posted on 04/29/2005 12:11:14 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck

It might be nifty if this prof put a syllabus and lecture abstracts online.


2 posted on 04/29/2005 12:13:24 PM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: white trash redneck
I don't see the educational value in a course that's openly biased," said Lee, an LSA junior.

The student then continued: "I'd get a lot more value from the course if the professor snuck the bias in there when I wasn't looking, and then denied that this was what he was doing. You know, like they usually do."

3 posted on 04/29/2005 12:20:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: white trash redneck

and they give college credit for a course that is basically beauracratic favoritism 101?

no wonder people don't respect college degrees as much as they used to.


4 posted on 04/29/2005 12:22:38 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: white trash redneck

There's more than a little irony here, since "affirmative action" is simply bias in favor of "people of color." It's absurd that criticizing racial preferences is considered somehow biased. Wrong! We're opposed to bias, and in favor of judging people as individuals.


5 posted on 04/29/2005 12:29:05 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams
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To: camle
hmm...I'm pretty sure any of your engineers, computer science, mathematics, Chem, Biology, ect degrees have as much respect as they always have.

Liberal arts, poly science, psychology, ect degrees are probably a different story
6 posted on 04/29/2005 12:31:00 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw

you'd be surprised at how even technical degrees are erroding. it's sad to watch. seems like nobody wants to excell, to work hard and earn something - they want the piece of paper so they can get a job.


7 posted on 04/29/2005 12:36:38 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: tfecw

Actually they don't...I went to a professional conference (forest biometry) a few years ago. The subject of U-M came up -- one guy there told me that the place had gone downhill since we had gone there (he was somewhat older than I was -- I didn't know he had gone to U-M before the conversation started). He said that U-M students couldn't do much but be lobbyists because they were mostly b.s. artists -- so apparently he did hire U-M grads in the past but is now much more reluctant to do so.



8 posted on 04/29/2005 12:38:13 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: white trash redneck

Note to self: it's not called "racist bigotry" anymore.

Now it's called "race consciousness".

Got it.


9 posted on 04/29/2005 12:39:03 PM PDT by Majic (If you're going to shoot from the hip, you might as well empty your gun.)
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To: white trash redneck
My fellow Americans: If you elect me as your next president, I promise to immediately clean up all college and university campuses by placing all liberal professors on a slow boat to their beloved China; to have all socialist democrats arrested and interred and forced to listen to Jerry Falwell sermons for 10 hours per day; to ship all illegals who have no PROOF of birth within the borders of the USA back to wherever they came from. If that cannot be determined, then send them directly to France; to sign an executive order eliminating Roe v. Wade; fire all liberal judges in the federal judiciary; and, to ship Hillary Klinton to Iran where she will be issued one of those lovely blue burka's, told to go to the back of the pack, sit down and shut up; send John F'ning Kerry to Hanoi; send Hanoi Jane with him; send Ted Turner with Jane; send cutie Katie with Hillery; send Bill Klinton to a Buddhist monastery in Tibet; Require the pledge of allegiance be performed every morning in public schools; fire all current leftist public school indoctrinators (formerly known as teachers); close the IRS and institute the national sales tax in its place; close Hollyweird and ship all leftist speaking so called actors to Canada or France, where they promised to go in the first place; and drill the ANWR dry!
10 posted on 04/29/2005 12:41:32 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (IF YOU HATE DEMOCRATS - CLAP YOUR HANDS!!! clap clap clap)
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"...student Kate Stenvig, who has run for MSA president under the Defend Affirmative Action Party: "I can't even imagine what would be talked about in the class aside from abstract statistics that he's going to obsess over that are not in any way related to why affirmative action exists."

Let's not confuse things with the facts, shall we, Kate?

11 posted on 04/29/2005 12:44:56 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: camle
"...they want the piece of paper so they can get a job."

Well that is pretty much the only way to get a job in the Tech fields now ;) It's hard for a business to take a chance on a "hard worker" or someone who is willing to learn a new skill. By hard i mean hard for them to justify the risk, or to judge if some really is a hard worker and has a willingness to learn. From what I experience will override a degree, but usually a degree from a good school would over ride the experience. That's how i got my job.
12 posted on 04/29/2005 12:47:35 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: white trash redneck
"I'm making no bones about the fact that I'm not going to be presenting a balanced two sides of the case," Cohen said. "I'm going to be doing what the University does all the time."

For once, he will be honest in his presentation. That is, openly biased. Any bets on whether he will bring up the memos by Senator Kennedy and others to delay confirming one of Bush's nominees to the Circuit Court, and not informing 2 conservative judges who retired just before the announcement of the case, so that the Libs had a stacked liberal court to hear the case?

13 posted on 04/29/2005 12:50:54 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: scrabblehack
I have a science degree from Michigan, some years back. I have refused to give them money until they get their PC act cleaned up. I wonder how many others like me are withholding funds?
14 posted on 04/29/2005 1:08:02 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hehehehehe! Don'tcha just love it when they open their mouths? The little tykes say the damnest things, don't they?!


15 posted on 04/29/2005 1:30:52 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: white trash redneck

"This is a remarkable development that Prof. Cohen is going to be teaching a course opposed to affirmative action, at the U of Michigan, right in the belly of the beast, as it were. I also applaud his coming right out and announcing his bias - far be it from the leftie professors to be so honest."

He will be fired before Christmas.


16 posted on 04/29/2005 2:08:32 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: white trash redneck

Melton Lee,Quote:"It's highly unethical for Cohen to use his faculty position to further his political agenda." Now that is CHOICE!


17 posted on 04/29/2005 5:07:50 PM PDT by thombo
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To: Gefreiter
I emailed him, and and his response follows:

Perhaps.

I have not yet begun to prepare the list. I will be using the briefs in the cases -- and my own book of course: Affirmative Action and Racial Preference, Oxford University Press, 2003.

    Come up and join us!  Be well.  Carl Cohen

18 posted on 04/29/2005 5:21:54 PM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: white trash redneck

Lest we forget...this ruling for affirmative action at Michigan was made possible by the collusion of Ted "The Swimmer" Kennedy, who bottled up the appointment of a conservative judge until after this case was heard. It was revealed by a Repubican senate staffer who had intercepted some Dem emails, and after the MSM howled about the GOP uncovering this plot, the staffer was fired! Did we ever hear a call for an ethics investigation in this blatant interference with the judiciary by the Democrats? Of course not. I think the next time the piddly little questions about Tom Delay's travel vouchers are trotted out, someone ought to say that he will be charged right after the Senate charges Kennedy for this egregious flouting of the separation of powers.


19 posted on 04/29/2005 5:36:47 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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