Posted on 04/24/2005 6:08:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE
Southern heritage buffs vow to use the Virginia gubernatorial election as a platform for designating April as Confederate History and Heritage Month.
The four candidates have differing views on the Confederacy, an issue that has been debated for years in the commonwealth.
"We're not just a few people making a lot of noise," said Brag Bowling, a spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the oldest hereditary organization for male descendents of Confederate soldiers. "This is not a racial thing; it is good for Virginia. We're going to keep pushing this until we get it."
Each candidate recently shared his thoughts on what Mr. Bowling called a "litmus test for all politicians." Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would not support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Former state Attorney General Jerry W. Kilgore would support something that recognizes everyone who lived during the Civil War.
Sen. H. Russell Potts Jr. and Warrenton Mayor George B. Fitch would support a Confederate History and Heritage Month. Many past Virginia governors honored the Civil War or the Confederacy.
In 1990, former Gov. L. Douglas Wilder, the nation's first black governor, a Democrat and a grandson of slaves, issued a proclamation praising both sides of the war and remembering "those who sacrificed in this great struggle."
Former Govs. George Allen and James S. Gilmore III, both Republicans, issued Confederate History Month proclamations. In 2000, Mr. Gilmore replaced that proclamation with one commemorating both sides of the Civil War -- a move that enraged the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
Gov. Mark Warner, a Democrat, has refused to issue a gubernatorial decree on either side of the Civil War.
Mr. Kaine, another Democrat, would decline to issue a Confederate History and Heritage Month proclamation if he is elected governor, said his campaign spokeswoman, Delacey Skinner.
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This is the only e-mail I received:
One of the members of my prayer group (who evidently calls himself "Stand Watie" on the internet) brought each of us us a pile of xerox copies from a internet site that he is a member of, reference to our mission trip
to New York City and New Jersey from the 2d week of March,2002. He asked all
of us to write to you & tell you what happened to our missions group on that
Saturday night.
I am both saddened & angered that our brother was so unfairly treated by
several of the persons, who wrote mean & untuthful comments about him on
that website.
He is a good & Godly layman & deserved none of the abuse heaped on him.
I will pray for each of the people who wrote such mean & unwarranted things
to him. They seem to be filled with meaness of spirit, hatred and personal
bias, to the point that i wonder if each of them should immediately seek
spiritual guidance from clergy or attention from a medical professional.
Hatred will eventually kill the "inner spark within us" (which comes from
the Holy Ghost), if it is bad enough!
Our youth ministry & gospel group traveled by church bus to NYC &
suburban New Jersey on that Friday morning & stayed in the metropolian area
until the following Monday evening about 10PM, preaching the Good News of
the Christ,witnessing to the lost & singing gospel music at several missions
& churches in both states.
One of our "singing stops" was in southern Manhattan at 6PM on Saturday
evening. After the service was completed, we decided to go to pray & have a
Bible reading at the site of the Twin Towers, where so many unfortunates
died.
We arrived about 9:30PM at the Twin Towers site and walked up there to
pray. Upon arrival, i was both surprised and disappointed to discover that
several young adults were "hanging around", laughing & talking loudly. Their
deportment seemed more suitable to an amusement park or perhaps a bowling
alley or tavern. Frankly, I had expected much more decorum from people in a
place where so many innocent people passed away. I had expected that people
who went to that place would act like they were in Church or at a funeral
home. Obviously, i was mistaken.
We kneeled on the ground in a circle & began to pray, with our hands
clasped. Some of our members were by this time openly weeping.( I certainly
was.) About 2-3 minutes later, one of the "men" in that group began
"hooting" at us and calling us "names". Several of the other young men
joined in his ridiculing us praying & began making "funny comments" about
the members of the group and indecent comments about the ladies & girls in
the group.
The one of us who got the most personal abuse was "Mei Li", who is one of
our first sopranos. (I believe that she was "picked out" for more abuse
because she is Vietnamese, very shy & demure,petite, pretty & has near
waist-length black hair.) A man pointed to her and told her to stay on her
knees and that he wanted her to perform an obscenity upon him. The other men
were laughing & talking louder, too. I was now very afraid of what those men
might do to us.
At this point, we were "holding on really tightly" to several of our men
& some of the ladies, who were trying to get up off the ground & "do
something" to those people. Our associate pastor said, "Everybody! Stay
where you are! That is what they want you to do. We will finish our prayers
& then go. But only then!"
We finished our prayers & the New Life Octet sang a verse of Amazing
Grace & we quickly left the area,to get back on the bus to leave.
As we got out to the curb, we saw two policemen. Brother Bill told the
policemen what had happened & they told them that they were sorry. They said
that people do many bad things that they could not be arrested for.
Al lin all it was a very frightening expierience for everyone.
Thank You for reading this.
BOTH told me they wrote to you.
"Bro. Bill" has been out of town since last Friday, but said he would write as soon as he got back.
free dixie,sw
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I wonder if Watie showed him any of his own rantings and what he'd say about those.
No.
Assuming that these people do exist, than I freely admit that this event happened.
Does this event in any way say anything about Northerners or New Yorkers in general? No.
I had the same thought. I wonder what these folks would think about sw's anti-Northern bigotry.
Let me think about that for a second.
I'd wager No.
They also had a 'gag rule'in the House of Representives to stop people for praying for the ending of slavery in nations capital.
But they are going to plead to the Bible as a defense for their racist brand of slavery.
It is good however to see that the facade has come off.
You mean facts don't you?
I presume that this is correct -- I don't have Sherman's Collected Works or a book of his letters to check.
This sounds like another Southern myth.
I checked and as far as I can tell there are no collected works of Sherman.
The facts are that his march resulted in very few civilian deaths.
The facts are he made a very lenient peace with Johnston.
If Sherman did write the letter cited, he certainly did not carry out any extermination efforts.
You were fighting for the liberty of holding millions of others in slavery.
To stop people from even praying -only communists act in such a barbaric fashion. You notice Mr. Stand will not comment on that fact.
Here is another interesting portion of history:
When the British actress Fanny Kemble came to America and married a Georgia plantation owner, she wrote to a sixteen year-old slave who had asked her to teach him to read: “I will do it . . . and yet it is simply breaking laws of the *government under which I am living.” Then she decided, “Unrighteous laws are made to be broken . . . I’ll teach every other Creature that wants to learn.”
*An outlaw government reduced to ashes by the first half of 1865.
As I have stated many times, the Southern pro-slavery insurrectionist leaders got off too damn light. The penalty of sedition for the sake of maintaining slavery should have much stronger. Letting the traitors off lightly resulted in 100 years of Jim Crow 'law' which was nothing more then neo-slavery. Washington should held the equivalence of the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials for all Southern industrialists, politicians and renegade military officers who were guilty of fostering 4 years of bloody civil war.
Stand & the dwindling number of his defenders of modern 'neo-confederacy' on FR, all viciously blast anyone who was connected with the overall abolition of slavery movement, which logically speaks loudly of their own positions on the subject of slavery. They state they wanted 'Confederate victory' knowing bloody well slavery would have been expanded. Yet they are such low life cowards to admit it in public, knowing when some of their former comrades did they were booted out. (only to attmept to return under new names and get banned again.)
Stand's incredible statement: "NOTHING can change the fact that they were fighting for LIBERTY"
Liberty? lolol
Imagine Mr. Stand if he had really been alive and in the Confederate armed forces with a Confederate victory. Think of how many 'Yankees' would have would have been left alive if his Confederate horde invaded Washington D.C. and proceeded northward. Horrible thought I know -LOL
Amen to your post!
Concurring bump. Sounds amazingly similar to the slander by inuendo the neo-rebs attempted to perpetrate against Lincoln with the so-called Dahlgren Papers evidence.
Well, you might say something to our transplanted Beantown detractors, for whom the Byrd murder summons the Ultimate Truth, like a grotesque shade pointing its long, bony finger: every Southern white man is a monster incarnate, the words of Theo Bilbo burn like fire in his breast, and he is eaten up with neo-Nazism and Kluxerism; evil and murder walk abroad, whenever he goes out of his house unsupervised by a knowing, caring liberal Southern Poverty Law Center mandarin backed up by squads of FBI agents and U.S. marshals and battalions of United States Army paratroopers in full battle-drill.
And etc., etc., etc.
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I checked in his memoirs and the quote was not there. But maybe he was embarrassed by it and didn't want it remembered.
If you think Sherman's quote is a myth, perhaps you could gain notoriety by exposing DiLorenzo, who cites the quote and references it to the 1862 letter to Sherman's wife. See Link. On the other hand, if you are correct and the quote is a myth, why would DiLorenzo write something easily disproven?
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