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Nun silenced by new pope unhappy with choice
MSNBC.com ^ | 4/19/05 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/19/2005 1:24:20 PM PDT by Evolution

HYATTSVILLE, Md. - A nun who was ordered by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to stop ministering to gays and lesbians called his election as pope "devastating" for those who believe the Catholic Church needs to be more tolerant on social issues such as homosexuality. advertisement Sister Jeannine Gramick said the choice of Ratzinger, who as the Vatican's guardian of doctrine silenced her and Father Robert Nugent in a 1999 order, will likely prevent the church from "moving into the 21st century and out of the Middle Ages." "

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To: Puppage

Yes, she joined and now she wants to change the rules of the game.


161 posted on 04/19/2005 3:36:18 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Betaille

How do you know he will only be around for a few more years? Do you have an inside track?
He just turned 78 years old.
My dad lived to be 90 years old. That's 12 years and if he lives longer that's a bonus.


162 posted on 04/19/2005 3:37:36 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes, she could and I wish they all would start their own religion if they are not happy with the Catholic Religion. No one is twisting their arms to stay. they SHOULD begin their new religion ... that's a GREAT idea. Then we wouldn't have to listen to their constant whining and belly achin...priests, nuns, congregations, whatever. Theya re free to leave anytime they want. Now sounds like a good idea to me.


163 posted on 04/19/2005 3:40:01 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: OpusatFR

Yes and Satan can go directly back to hell and burn forever.


164 posted on 04/19/2005 3:42:30 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: conserv13; ArrogantBustard
Love the sinner, hate the sin.

And keep the poofters away from the Altar Boys!

Rule One: No Poofters (in Holy Orders)

165 posted on 04/19/2005 3:49:01 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel ( † Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us. †)
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To: dangus
You do know that Scrappleface's coverage of Kerry's reaction to Pope Benedict was a spoof, no?

When I clicked the link and saw Scrappleface, I thought maybe they'd better have waited until Kerry said something -- he might just lift their piece (which undoubtedly reflects his feelings) and then they'd have to start from scratch! :-)

166 posted on 04/19/2005 3:49:08 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Betaille
"This guy is only going to be around for a few years and we'll have to do this whole thing over again."

Yeah. I was looking at all the other 15 popes with the name "Benedict," and it looks like the average time they have the office before they die is about 4 or 5 years.

Just my $0.02 worth.

167 posted on 04/19/2005 3:50:07 PM PDT by nightdriver
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She is speaking on WMAL now.


168 posted on 04/19/2005 3:51:17 PM PDT by Mfkmmof4
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To: Evolution
Yes, I can see why the Left is terribly disappointed. This is not the news which they were hoping to see. Hallejujah!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
169 posted on 04/19/2005 3:53:08 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: LSUsoph
I am sure the old fart will continue to sit back like PJP and say nothing while hundreds of his gay priests molest little boys, yet speak out against reaching out to those who perhaps need it the most. What a terrible decision the Catholic Church has made today.

Try again after you've graduated.

170 posted on 04/19/2005 3:57:12 PM PDT by berkeleybeej (Moderate is NOT a bad word.)
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To: jscd3

"I rather doubt that the nun was told to stop ministering to anyone."

I agree. Every once in a while we ALL need "ministering". (God knows that I do {every once in a long, long, long while}).

The line is drawn, except the MSM, in its quest to legitimize homo relationships, continues its attempt to portray religious conservatives as out of the mainstream.


171 posted on 04/19/2005 3:59:18 PM PDT by wingman1 (University of Vietnam 1970)
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To: Evolution

BBC radio had her on a show with ridiculously blatant "false balance." Gramick holds herself well in conversation, so they put her up against a professor who stumbles over his words--a veritable bumbling don. Knowing I would only be annoyed, I simply turned it off.


172 posted on 04/19/2005 4:03:50 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"She could start her own religion."

That's not what they want; they want to steer the vast influence and resources of the church to their own ends. They want to take it over and remake it in their own image.
173 posted on 04/19/2005 4:04:23 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Evolution

She is going to be on "Hardball" in a few moments.


174 posted on 04/19/2005 4:30:46 PM PDT by lsucat
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To: Evolution
to stop ministering to gays and lesbians

Hmm. I thought they *were* supposed to be ministered too according to the catechism. I'll look it up.

175 posted on 04/19/2005 5:29:56 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: gogeo
They didn't mention that in the article...

Nope. And it's purely coincidence that I know it--I read about her advocacy for Shanley in the most recent issue of New Oxford Review yesterday morning.
176 posted on 04/19/2005 5:34:47 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: Evolution
"moving into the 21st century and out of the Middle Ages."

I get sick of this kind of criticism. Basic morality is timeless and will never change. Unless a heretic becomes pope the church will NEVER change their stands on these issues. And shouldn't.

177 posted on 04/19/2005 5:40:25 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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To: newzjunkey; Evolution
Regarding her claim she was told to stop ministering to homsexuals, I checked the Catechism Part 3, Sect 2, Ch 2, Art 6.

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Sound like a charter to minister to homosexuals to me. Then again, I'm not Catholic and it might be that she was actually told to keep the first part that homosexual acts can in no way be approved.

178 posted on 04/19/2005 5:42:44 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
She could start her own religion.

She already has, she worships herself.

179 posted on 04/19/2005 5:44:25 PM PDT by pbear8 (Deo Gratias!!!!! Pope B - 16 !!!!!!)
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To: newzjunkey
Hmm. I thought they *were* supposed to be ministered too according to the catechism. I'll look it up.

Yes. All people are to be "ministered" to. However, Sr. Gramick's easy grace--tolerance of grotesque sin for the sake of feel-good-ism--is not the way to do it.

Christ himself taught us how to minister to those who live steeped in sin. Encourage them to repent and sin no more.

Here is how Catholics minister to those with homosexual temptations.
180 posted on 04/19/2005 5:49:20 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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