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Pope's C-130 fleet shrinks to six planes [that's Pope AFB, North Carolina]
FortBraggNC.com ^ | Apr 15, 2005 | Henry Cuningham

Posted on 04/16/2005 7:04:14 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko

Pope Air Force Base is down to six fully capable C-130 Hercules cargo airplanes because of maintenance problems.

The rest of the 43rd Airlift Wing's 31 airplanes are grounded, restricted or unavailable because of deployment or depot maintenance. said 1st Lt. Mark W. Hanson, a Pope spokesman.

The limits at Pope are similar to those of older C-130 airplanes throughout the Air Force.


C-130 photo

C-130 FLEET

NEW
J-30 Model (pictured)

OLD

E Model



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: popeafb; usaf
Found through Pope AFB down to 6 operational C-130s at Airborne Combat Engineer blog.

Tried to get the formatting to work, but I couldn't quite do it.
1 posted on 04/16/2005 7:04:14 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko

Pope's C-130 fleet shrinks to six planes [that's Pope AFB, North Carolina]


So how many does the Vatican have now?

Well SOMEONE had to ask.


FYI 392 steps to walk around one. AMAZING what you find out at 2:00am when you're bored out of your mind and have to stay awake.


2 posted on 04/16/2005 7:10:19 AM PDT by Valin (Senate switchboard: (202) 225-3121 / 1-866-808-0065 toll-free)
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To: Mike Fieschko
C-130 rollin' down the strip!


rdb3 is broadcast live before a
pre-recorded studio audience

3 posted on 04/16/2005 7:10:59 AM PDT by rdb3 (To the world, you're one person. To one person, you may be the world.)
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To: Mike Fieschko

This same base was home to the A-10 aircraft, and the funding was so bad during the latter Clinton Administration years that there were parts shortages. When one plane landed, the maintenance crews would have to remove some parts so they could get another one off the ground. The military was in an extremely pathetic state at that point, and isn't really that much better now.


4 posted on 04/16/2005 7:18:45 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Valin; aculeus; general_re; All
“How many AC-130s does the Pope have?”

;-)

5 posted on 04/16/2005 7:19:23 AM PDT by dighton
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To: Mike Fieschko

Darn...I thought this was anothe JIIPII thread.

Air Vatican -> C-130 rollin' down the strip...Pope JP gonna' take a little trip...


6 posted on 04/16/2005 7:20:34 AM PDT by Khurkris (This tagline is available on CD ROM)
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To: Mike Fieschko
Six fully loaded C-130s is a good start on North Carolina's illegal immigration problem.
7 posted on 04/16/2005 7:25:12 AM PDT by clyde asbury (It happened one summer. It happened forever.)
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To: TommyDale

This same base was home to the A-10 aircraft, and the funding was so bad during the latter Clinton Administration years that there were parts shortages.

The AF brass NEVER wanted this plane. Right from the start they did everything they could to kill it.

If you're interested in more on this I'd recomend "Boyd" the fighter pilot who changed the art of war
Robert Coram

GREAT BOOK.


8 posted on 04/16/2005 7:30:49 AM PDT by Valin (Senate switchboard: (202) 225-3121 / 1-866-808-0065 toll-free)
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To: Valin

I'm sure that the Iraqis didn't want the U.S. to have this plane either.


9 posted on 04/16/2005 7:43:45 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Valin

USAF brass frequently use broken crystal balls when guessing which aircraft are best for the next decade. They are worse than the army, but only because there is no replacement for the Grunt model 1.


10 posted on 04/16/2005 8:00:20 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Mike Fieschko

I was in Okinawa a few weeks ago when a C-130 parked next to us. It was a 1962 E model. Even being generous and assuming it was delivered in 1963, that still makes it a 42 year old airplane! We have to do better than that! It's too bad that Lockheed shut down the H3 line. Those could be cranked out one after another for a whole lot less than the J model.


11 posted on 04/16/2005 8:13:24 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: AlaskaErik; Valin

Gota Love the procurement system for "new" aircraft. I remembered hearing that the C-130 was Congresses baby not the military's.

I know that we cannot afford to get new aircraft every year. However most people think that combat is about weapons and tactics(i.e. warheads on foreheads)... its not....its about supply and logistics. Those advanced combat aircraft are worth less unless they are properly supplied with weapons, people, food, gas the things that they need since they wont kill people at home.

Ever since the end of the cold war the US Military has tried to do more with less, more with less, but theres a point that will backfire especially given the increased op tempos within the past 5 years. You can only use a machine so much until it completely fails. Note that the Air Force has the most money of any of the services.

Speaking of Old aircraft think of the B-52. Many of those have reached 40-50 years of continuous service.

Valin good point about Col Boyd. We discussed him at one of my leadership classes and mentioned how the Air Force Brass refused to acknowledge the OODA LOOOP Until it had been accepted and was being taught by the Marines and Army.


12 posted on 04/16/2005 8:45:02 AM PDT by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: Little_shoe

Amateur talk tactic,
dilettantes talk strategy,
professionals talk logistics


13 posted on 04/16/2005 9:03:01 AM PDT by Valin (Senate switchboard: (202) 225-3121 / 1-866-808-0065 toll-free)
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To: Little_shoe

Valin good point about Col Boyd. We discussed him at one of my leadership classes and mentioned how the Air Force Brass refused to acknowledge the OODA LOOOP

Well in their defence, he did have a tendency to be...not a "people person". :-)
You've heard the story of how he set fire to a generals tie once?


14 posted on 04/16/2005 9:08:13 AM PDT by Valin (Senate switchboard: (202) 225-3121 / 1-866-808-0065 toll-free)
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To: Mike Fieschko

If McCain and his buddies are opposed to the "J" it must be good for the country.


15 posted on 04/16/2005 9:39:51 AM PDT by PAR35
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16 posted on 04/16/2005 5:03:11 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Mike Fieschko
Shouldn't we find out who the new Pope is before we... Oh, wait. You didn't mean that Pope? Sorry. Never mind.
17 posted on 04/16/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (UNC Tar Heels: NCAA Basketball Champions 1957/1982/1993/2005)
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To: Alia

BTTT


18 posted on 04/16/2005 5:54:42 PM PDT by Constitution Day (You'd think that Free Republic would know that the VP's name is not "Dick Cheny")
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To: JRandomFreeper; Northern Yankee; b4its2late

ping


19 posted on 04/16/2005 6:05:55 PM PDT by kayak (Have you prayed for your President today?)
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