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The gate of Hell - (let us never forget, lest it happen again; this time from Islamofascism)
NEWS TELEGRAPH.CO.UK ^ | APRIL 10, 2005 | Alexander van Straubenzee

Posted on 04/09/2005 9:33:54 PM PDT by CHARLITE

Sixty years ago, on April 15, 1945, Lieutenant John Randall, then a 24-year-old SAS officer, was on a reconnaissance mission in northern Germany. He and his driver were heading down the road to Lüneberg when he noticed a large, imposing iron gate in front of a track leading off into the woods to their left. Curious, Randall decided to investigate, and so discovered one of the most horrifying aspects of Hitler's Germany.

"We were totally unprepared for what we had stumbled across,'' says Randall, now 85, sitting opposite me in the Special Forces Club in London. ''I just drove through these gates because they were open. There were one or two totally dejected-looking German guards, but they made no effort to shoot. They didn't even stop us.''

So when did it dawn on you that this was a concentration camp, I ask. ''About 30 yards into the camp, my Jeep was suddenly surrounded by a group of around 100 emaciated prisoners,'' recalls Randall. ''Most of them were in black-and-white-striped prison uniforms and the rest wore a terrible assortment of ragged clothes. It was the state of these inmates that made me realise that this was no ordinary PoW camp. As to the identity or name of the place, I had no idea. We were two miles from Lüneberg Heath where, incidentally, Montgomery signed the German surrender.''

The walls of the Special Forces Club are decorated with photographs of other legendary members of the SAS and SOE. I study Randall as he talks: slightly hawkish, steely-eyed like so many of his regiment, but kind. What happened when you told them you were a British officer? ''They went wild,'' says Randall, ''pleading for food, help, protection and release. I began to get rather alarmed. They were all over us, pulling at my paratroop smock, speaking an array of different languages, including English. There were hundreds of them and there was an overpowering stench, like a farmyard.''

And you weren't threatened by the Germans at all? ''They were totally uninterested. They just stood around watching. We drove off to get out of the melée and then, about 30 yards on, we came across an even more pathetic sight. Next to what I can only describe as a grotesque potato patch were groups of almost naked skeletal figures, pulling clothes off dead bodies and trying to clothe themselves. They hardly noticed our Jeep as we passed. Dead bodies, mainly naked, were strewn around and such was the state of their emaciation that it was difficult to tell whether they were male or female.''

But there was worse to come. Further on, Randall and his driver found a pit, 50ft square, containing a mass of semi-clothed and naked dead bodies of both sexes, lying in contorted positions, one on top of another. ''The stench was horrific,'' says Randall. ''It was a mixture of rotting flesh and excrement - a smell that I couldn't get rid of for weeks. I would wake in the night with this ghastly smell in my nose.''

After 30 minutes alone in Belsen, Randall and his driver were joined by another SAS Jeep carrying the squadron commander, Major John Tonkin, and his squadron Sergeant-Major, Reg Seekings, an SAS veteran of North Africa, Sicily, Italy and France. ''Seekings was a very tough man,'' Randall says. ''He had been with the regiment almost since it was formed and had been an army boxing champion when in the Guards.''

As the four SAS men stood looking at this pitiful and horrifying sight, they were approached by Josef Kramer, the camp commandant, and a woman in a dark blue uniform. "Kramer introduced himself and the woman, Irma Grese, responsible for the female prisoners, and to our astonishment offered us a guided tour of the camp,'' says Randall. ''We followed them. We pushed open the door of one of the huts and were overpowered by the stench. Emaciated figures peered out at us, in fear and surprise, from the rows of bunks. Lying among them, on the same bunks, were dead bodies.''

As they came out of one of the huts, the four men saw a camp guard using the butt of his rifle to beat up a prisoner. "Reg Seekings turned to John Tonkin, and asked permission to intervene and teach the guard a lesson.'' This was granted without hesitation. ''So Reg went over and hit the guard in the face. He got up and was then knocked out by another punch to the head. Then Tonkin ordered Kramer and Grese into the guardroom, and said, "We are now in charge, not you, and any guard who attempts to treat a prisoner with brutality will be punished."

None of the SAS members saw Kramer or Grese again. They were later arrested, tried and executed for war crimes. As Randall continues his story, I realise that despite his self-control and professionalism, this interview is a terribly emotional experience for him. Describing the sights, noises and especially the smells brings Belsen back to him. But he keeps going. ''I believe people of my age should express their own sentiments,'' he says, ''and I can never forgive the Germans for what they did. I have met the most charming and intelligent Germans since the war, but I will not accept that they knew nothing about the concentration camp atrocities. Worse still, there were those who did know and chose not to do anything about it. I was only 24 years old when I went into Belsen. It was a tremendous shock to a young man brought up in a protected environment. I was very impressionable and, as a result, have had a lifelong hatred of brutality and injustice - all the things that the Nazi regime personified.

"The world lost some of the finest and brightest individuals on earth,'' says Randall. ''And what hurts me is the fact that they cannot be brought back. It is beyond comprehension that the Germans sought to exterminate such a wonderful race, which has contributed so much over the centuries. They will never recover from this barbarity. We must never forget what the Jews suffered.''

They certainly don't forget him. On Holocaust day this year, Randall was presented to the Queen in St James's Palace. As he stood in line waiting with other liberators and survivors of Belsen, a woman next to him turned and said: ''You saved my life. When the British arrived in Belsen I was 15. I believe I had only about two days left to live. You came just in time.''

On Wednesday he is going to the Holocaust Survivors Centre in Hendon to meet more of those who lived through Belsen. ''For me,'' says Randall, ''meeting them completes the circle. But right now,'' he looks up at me, ''I think we need a drink.''


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allied; belsen; camps; commemoration; concentration; holocaust; liberation; wwii
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To: CHARLITE

Reading that caused my hair to stand on end. There is nothing like eye witness accounts. Nothing.


21 posted on 04/09/2005 10:35:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: Windsong
yawn

From your profile:

Pro-Isreal
Pro-Life

Coulda fooled me.

22 posted on 04/09/2005 10:41:35 PM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
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To: philetus

LOL, I posted the same thing further down.


23 posted on 04/09/2005 10:42:26 PM PDT by eyespysomething (hmmm....)
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To: Popman
No matter how many times I read accounts like the above. I find myself stupefied at the evil that we as a race are capable of. Never again indeed.
24 posted on 04/09/2005 11:10:05 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Jan171781

Never forget? How many times has it hapened since?


25 posted on 04/09/2005 11:35:44 PM PDT by Domangart (4+)
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To: eldoradude
Have you noticed how closely the democrat party line resembles the nazi party position on gun control, euthanasia, hatred of judaism, support of palestine...?

Yes. All too similar. And they call us Nazis. Hmph.

26 posted on 04/09/2005 11:37:50 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Windsong
yawn

Congratulations on the most idiotic reply I've ever read on FR.
27 posted on 04/09/2005 11:39:32 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Domangart
Never forget? How many times has it hapened since?

Never forget lest it is repeated. The Islamonazis are already trying, through terrorism and sharia law. The Nazis and Islamonazis all belive in one thing: The extermination of Jews as well as all other faiths. While the Nazis belived in a superior race, the Islamonazis belive in a superior "religeon."

28 posted on 04/09/2005 11:42:18 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN!)
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To: Windsong
"yawn"

Your comment is less than impressive.
It is unfortunate that you chose to express such indifference and then claim an appreciation for the various Spec Op groups on your FR homepage.

29 posted on 04/10/2005 12:05:30 AM PDT by Khurkris (This tagline is available on CD ROM)
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To: Windsong

I don't understand why you didn't back up your "yawn" with such as the following:

Then came the realization that there was not just one Holodomor, but three. Before the 10 million Ukrainians killed in 1932-33, there were 3 million killed the same way in 1921-24. And, another million were killed in 1946. There were three cycles of Holodomor in Ukraine, killing a total of 14 million innocent men, women and children.

Since it will never be possible to ascertain the exact number of deaths, estimates fall on a range. Michael Vickery estimates 750,000 deaths,[2] while Ben Kiernan adds to that another 800,000. Karl Jackson puts the figure near 1.3 million,[3] while the Campaign to Oppose the Return of the Khmer Rouge (CORKR) claims at least 1.5 million deaths. The Khmer revolution was perhaps the most pernicious in history; reversing class order, destroying all markets, banning private property and money. It is one worth studying for the ages, not for what it accomplished, but for what it destroyed.

Murambi, Rwanda - Rwandans began a week of mourning on Thursday for at least 800 000 people slaughtered during the country's 1994 genocide, with grisly accounts from survivors and the reburial of remains of victims exhumed from mass graves.

People are right to say we should never forget, but lets not forget all the genocides that happened and not just remember the Holocaust. I may be wrong but I think that this is where Windsong is coming from.


30 posted on 04/10/2005 12:39:21 AM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Windsong

Calling for attention?


31 posted on 04/10/2005 12:59:17 AM PDT by mother22wife21 ( "My super power is dancing" -my five year old daughter)
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To: Windsong
I wonder if people will yawn at your execution. The Germans that this man could not forgive for their indifference are the same kind of people.

I thank you for reminding me that it is not a racial thing, scumbags come in all colors it seems.
32 posted on 04/10/2005 2:38:11 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Tuba Guy; Alabama MOM; WestCoastGal; DAVEY CROCKETT; SevenofNine

Ping


33 posted on 04/10/2005 4:52:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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To: CHARLITE

Wow.


34 posted on 04/10/2005 4:55:13 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Cleverly Arranging 1's And 0's Since 11110111011...)
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To: rawhide
"yawn" I do not understand your indifference? Are you human?

Other than the possibility of being a troll, there's also the possibility that the sheer concept of millions of people being exterminated to attempt genocide is so far beyond a lot of people's concept that tossing such numbers around either numbs or approaches irrelevance.

I found the same thing with most of the classes I taught, until I came up with something to convey the point

At the beginning of a class, at the start of a Holocaust unit, I run a little math problem past the students: If a sheet of paper has 4 columns of names, and each name has 54 lines (which is about right for a standard 8.5X11 sheet of paper), how many sheets of paper would it take to list 6 million names? With 500 sheets in a ream, how many reams? With 10 reams to a case, how many cases?

After they come to the realization that it would take a little more than 5.5 cases, I hand them sheets of paper with, yes, 4 columns, 54 lines printed on them. As they leave the classroom, they get to drop the papers into the top of a half-full case of paper.

Oh, the names? No, I don't know that many names. Instead of names, I have printed,

This was someone's mom.

This was someone's brother.

This was someone's uncle.

This was someone's dad.

This was someone's sister.

. . . and so on.

Most stop looking at the Holocaust from a bored, detached viewpoint after that.

35 posted on 04/10/2005 5:15:01 AM PDT by Quiller
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To: Jan171781
"It could happen here. The targets may not be Jews - they may just be fellow Americans (IE: Moslem Americans)- but the tactics will be the same - the illegal usurpation of public power and control by a demogogue or band of demagogues. "

Some of us do remember the lesson of the Holocaust. But obviously, some don't.

36 posted on 04/10/2005 8:29:08 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Some of us know Evil when we see it, mrsmith.


37 posted on 04/10/2005 9:11:58 AM PDT by sarah_f ( Know Islam, Know Terror.)
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To: sarah_f

I certainly do Sarah.


38 posted on 04/10/2005 12:11:13 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith

Mrs. Smith, you added Muslim Americans. True, persecuting someone purely for religious beliefs is not correct, unless those beliefs are dangerous to society.

Suppose some religion preached child sacrifice? Would persecuting them be indefensible?

Most average Muslims are probably like everybody else. But the radical anti-western Wahhabists and those who think like them should be definitely beyond the pale of any protection. And yet we see no apparent efforts to stop these people here or anywhere in the west.

They could very well become the NAZIs of tomorrow here, as they are the NAZIs of today in other parts of the world.


39 posted on 04/10/2005 7:40:44 PM PDT by Jan171781
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To: Jan171781
"persecuting someone purely for religious beliefs is not correct, unless those beliefs are dangerous to society. "

I suppose some people could take the lesson from the Holocaust that 'Persecution is justified if "those beliefs are dangerous to society"'.
But they may "very well become the NAZIs of tomorrow here."
You and I will have to keep our eyes out for them won't we?

I've no desire to adopt foreign laws about freedom of conscience. We have the best.

Being an American I don't care what any American believes. Anyone who doesn't break the law can believe what he wants.
Bigots ( including Wahabbis) are free to believe that Moslems or any other religion deserve "persecuting"- however if they act on that belief they'll face "prosecuting".

40 posted on 04/11/2005 12:11:52 PM PDT by mrsmith
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